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Two great teams from the subcontinent
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Kohli’s India vs Imran’s Pakistan
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ankitj
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So Imran's team held on to 3 drawn series against West Indies but lost in NZ, Eng, Aus X2.
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subshakerz
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Imran's team never lost in NZ. And they won a series in England and India.So Imran's team held on to 3 drawn series against West Indies but lost in NZ, Eng, Aus X2.
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Kohli's is obviously a stronger team though. Imran's team punched above their weight while Kohli's team underperformed away from home.
subshakerz
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90s Pakistan were pretty good away from home but 95 onwards lost at home a lot.
I actually believe the 99 side under Wasim that toured India and won 2/3 games with Wasim, Saqlain and Mushtaq Ahmed would be a good challenge to Kohli's side in India.
Kirkut
International Regular
Won't say that IK's team punched above their weight always. Apart from some superb cricket against West Indies in the late 80s, most of the sides were very bland back then.
Sunil1z
International Regular
That 99 side was basically Pakistani ATXI Team minus Imran and Younis .
Am I right ?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
True but for Pakistan they have never won in England and India before so in a sense the side exceeded expectations. They also won the 1989 Australiasia Cup, basically the Champions Trophy, and the World Cup.
I think Pakistan of mid 80s would win in Pakistan against Kohlis side but lose in India. Conversely, the Pak team of the mid 90s can beat Kohli in India but would lose in Pakistan.
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Waqar played 2 tests but was washed up by that time. No Younis and Imran but a raw Shoaib did well in Calcutta. Afridi as opener was 50/50. But otherwise a strong side who may even possibly beat Kohli's side.
Anwar
Afridi
Ijaz
Inzi
Yousuf
Salim Malik
Moin
Wasim
Waqar/Shoaib
Mushtaq
Saqlain
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Sunil1z
International Regular
That is why I had said earlier, this side would give a much better fight than Imran’s Pakistan.
Looks very strong side on Paper but somehow underperformed against AUS,SA,WI
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subshakerz
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Akram was a disaster as captain when he first took over against WI in 93, facing a player revolt and lost badly.
His second stint from 95 to 99 was pretty good actually as captain. He won in England, NZ and India as well as the Asian Test Championship. He whitewashed WI at home and was undefeated there. He won a test in Australia against Taylors team. Even besides Wasim as captain, they managed to win in SL and draw in SA.
In late 99 though Pakistan were crushed by Waugh's side when he, Waqar and Mushtaq were well past their prime. When Pakistan lost at home, in the 90s, it was under pretty bad temporary captains like Ramiz, Anwar and Moin.
Kohli’s India. Perhaps the Asian side which achieved the most, two series wins in Aus, a near win in Eng(I mean even the match they lost, they were missing their best by of the series Rohit), gave a pretty good fight to SA in SA for two series, and near unprecedented home domination for a Asian side at home. Plus also won series in SL and WI.
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OverratedSanity
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Both those SA teams were unimpressive and India should've won.
Sa 2021-22 was unimpressive yes, but still had a very potent bowling attack(especially in home conditions). SA 2018 had Rabada and Philander in red hot form, plus others like Ngidi and Morkel as well, and a pretty decent batting lineup.
subshakerz
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Yeah no shame in losing to that 2018 lineup that beat Australia shortly afterwards.
subshakerz
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Yeah but the same side lost 4-1 in England and 2-0 in NZ. Hence underperforming.
Slifer
International Captain
Just so we're clear, Imran's teams drew vs Vivs WI led teams not Lloyds. Holding, Garner missed the 86, 88, and 90 series and Lloyd had retired by then. If anyone thinks that those 3 players wouldn't have made a difference, then they are kidding themselves.So Imran's team held on to 3 drawn series against West Indies but lost in NZ, Eng, Aus X2.
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I agree. That’s why I said achieved the most, not achieved to their full potential.