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Battle of flat track bullies - Hayden vs Sehwag

Who's the better batsman?

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Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
subshakerz said:
Failing in the three countries known to support lateral movement is not the same as failing in 1-2 countries. If Sehwag managed to do well in 1 of 3 you can do the downplaying you are trying.

It just goes to how we assess players. I don't assess them better for playing more and succeeding in their favored conditions, you apparently do. It's not a reflection of their actual skill quality.
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Sehwag did well in Australia and failed in 3 countries. Cook failed in 2, Kirsten in 2. Name any opener outside the upper echelon and you'll find the same trend ie 2 or 3 countries where they failed.

No one is saying Sehwag is anywhere near the level of a Sunil or Hobbs etc. But he's in the mix with the next tier.
 
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subshakerz

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Slifer said:
Sehwag did well in Australia and failed in 3 countries. Cook failed in 2, Kirsten in 2. Name any opener outside the upper echelon and you'll find the same trend ie 2 or 3 countries where they failed.

No one is saying Sehwag is anywhere near the level of a Sunil or Hobbs etc. But he's in the mix with the next tier.
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Its the specific countries he failed in. Kirsten can always point to his success in India and Pakistan to show his SL failing wasnt an indictment of his batting skills in the SC. Cook still has plenty of success in England to balance SA and NZ underperformances.

Sehwag failed in three countries with particular conditions.
 
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subshakerz said:
Its the specific countries he failed in. Kirsten can always point to his success in India and Pakistan to show his SL failing wasnt an indictment of his batting skills in the SC. Cook still has plenty of success in England to balance SA and NZ underperformances.

Sehwag failed in three countries with particular conditions.
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South African conditions are more like those in Australia than Eng/NZ. Sehwag did fine in Australia so can his SA failure simply be a fluke failure?
 
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subshakerz

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OverratedSanity said:
South African conditions are more like those in Australia than Eng/NZ. Sehwag did fine in Australia so can his SA failure simply be a fluke failure?
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Surely you jest. The series Sehwag faced in SA in 2007 and 2011 were very swing/seam friendly.

SA has the bounce from Australia and the seam friendlinss of NZ and ENG, only moreso.
 
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subshakerz said:
Surely you jest. The series Sehwag faced in SA in 2007 and 2011 were very swing/seam friendly.

SA has the bounce from Australia and the seam friendlinss of NZ and ENG, only moreso.
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SA is obviously far more bowler friendly than Australia but it has the pace and bounce that Eng/NZ pitches don't. The fact that many Aus batsmen manage to do well in SA (and vice versa) is a reasonable indication of this being true. Several SA pitches reward driving on the up and square of the wicket scoring.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
subshakerz said:
Its the specific countries he failed in. Kirsten can always point to his success in India and Pakistan to show his SL failing wasnt an indictment of his batting skills in the SC. Cook still has plenty of success in England to balance SA and NZ underperformances.

Sehwag failed in three countries with particular conditions.
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Sehwag did well in Australia and England is Cook's home so yeah I'd expect him to do well at home.
 
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subshakerz

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OverratedSanity said:
SA is obviously far more bowler friendly than Australia but it has the pace and bounce that Eng/NZ pitches don't. The fact that many Aus batsmen manage to do well in SA (and vice versa) is a reasonable indication of this being true. Several SA pitches reward driving on the up and square of the wicket scoring.
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I saw Sehwag struggle in 2011 in SA, when he was flaying away at the offstump and unable to compensate for Steyn's late movement.

He was even worse in 2007 in SA in getting out outside off and looked so out of sorts after that tour that he was dropped.
 
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subshakerz

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harsh.ag said:
Sehwag was a middle order batsman who was forced to open. He should be given extra points for succeeding there to such an extent. His debut test in SA he scored a century coming in at #6. For all we know, he may have scored a lot more runs in SA, Eng, NZ if he was batting down the order.
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I agree. I think he would have a 1-2 point average boost.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Shewag was NOT a flat track bully. Probably the best player on dust bowls, and if wet wickets were presented would be on those too.
 
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