Jacques Kallis vs Sachin Tendulkar

[StephenZA]

The player played in that style which is why we are equating.

There is only so much context you can give before it just becomes special pleading. At the end of the day the cricketer is judged by what he did on the field and how he actually played, not by 'what ifs' or 'captain's orders'.

And how he played was qualitatively worse than those in the top tier. He overcompensated in his defensiveness to the point it became a weakness compared to ATGs who still could bat aggressively despite similar constraints.

Yes but you are looking purely from your point of from your opinion... from a SA fan point of view his conservative batting was a god send that stabilized the team for 10 years. He did what was required of him for the SA team. And that in no way comments on whether I think that he was a better or worse bat than Sachin.

 

[StephenZA]

The fact that Kallis has 30 percent vote shows how overrated the guy can be on CW.

And this comment says much about your views and how biased they actually are...

 

[StephenZA]

I watched SA from the mid 90s onwards. They always had the reputation for having a reliable and solid batting lineup. Kirsten was one of the best openers in the world. If Kirsten, Gibbs, Cullinan isn't good enough, please name me a team from the mid/late 90s to early 2000s with a stronger top order barring Australia.

You obviously did not watch very closely and know what was going on in SA cricket, because largely you are talking nonsense and don't understand anything about SA cricket.

 

[subshakerz]

You obviously did not watch very closely and know what was going on in SA cricket, because largely you are talking nonsense and don't understand anything about SA cricket.

And apparently you ignored how cricket is played in the rest of planet Earth.

 

[StephenZA]

Kirsten, Gibbs, Cullinan ain't brittle.

Other than the fact that 2 of these players did not become good until late 90s early 2000s... and then retired. And Gibbs did not turn a corner until mid 2000s. Once again showing that you know nothing of SA cricket.

And apparently you ignored how cricket is played in the rest of planet Earth.

No, I`m fully aware how cricket is played elsewhere, its just irrelevant in a discussion regarding Kallis.... and I'm also aware that SA re-entered cricket in 92 and it took them ten years to stabilize as a team and become consistently enough to play at the highest standard. This then was followed by the building of a top quality team.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

No one thinks he was as good as Tendulkar. But he was also definitely better than Steve Waugh.

No

 

[trundler]

No

Wow I'm sold

 

[subshakerz]

Other than the fact that 2 of these players did not become good until late 90s early 2000s... and then retired. And Gibbs did not turn a corner until mid 2000s. Once again showing that you know nothing of SA cricket.

Yeah around the time Kallis became an established bat for SA. Two quality players in the top order. And Gibbs between 99 to 2004 was averaging around 50 too.

Once they retired, soon you had Smith and Prince. So stop pretending that Kallis played for NZ.

 

[StephenZA]

Yeah around the time Kallis became an established bat for SA. Two quality players in the top order. And Gibbs between 99 to 2004 was averaging around 50 too.

Once they retired, soon you had Smith and Prince. So stop pretending that Kallis played for NZ.

Im not pretending he played for NZ. I’m discussing the role he was asked to play for the first half of his 15 year career. And it shows when you look at the SA batting lineup and as it improved. You realise Kallis had a 50+ SR second half of his career. His best years it was 55+. The point is you look at his SR without context and understanding and that goes along with the rest of your biased argument.

You have decided that Kallis is a bad player and will consistently make arguments to support that. Your arguments are pathetic, pointless and irrelevant. You can have your opinion. Everyone has one. But don’t think your opinion is special and based on facts that nobody else understands. It’s just a bunch of nonsense.

 

[subshakerz]

Im not pretending he played for NZ. I’m discussing the role he was asked to play for the first half of his 15 year career. And it shows when you look at the SA batting lineup and as it improved. You realise Kallis had a 50+ SR second half of his career. His best years it was 55+. The point is you look at his SR without context and understanding and that goes along with the rest of your biased argument.

You have decided that Kallis is a bad player and will consistently make arguments to support that. Your arguments are pathetic, pointless and irrelevant. You can have your opinion. Everyone has one. But don’t think your opinion is special and based on facts that nobody else understands. It’s just a bunch of nonsense.

It's ok, you can calm down, I won't pick on Kallis anymore with you. Btw in the other thread I did point out that in Kallis' latter phase his SR increased so my critique was more for his first phase. Anyways, chill.

 

[Bitmap]

Tendulkar clearly a level above Kallis as a pure bat

 

[ataraxia]

Very disappointed in CW that there haven't been more meme votes for Kallis. We need someone with plenty of multis to come fuel the fire.

 

[TheJediBrah]

This would be a much better comparison if it wasn't restricted to batting only

Which one was a better Test cricketer full stop

 

[Adorable Asshole]

This would be a much better comparison if it wasn't restricted to batting only

Which one was a better Test cricketer full stop

the one who was a bigger match winner.

 

[TheJediBrah]

the one who was a bigger match winner.

so neither?

 

[Daemon]

This would be a much better comparison if it wasn't restricted to batting only

Which one was a better Test cricketer full stop

Haha not sure if you’re trolling but how would this even be a contest

 

[TheJediBrah]

Haha not sure if you’re trolling but how would this even be a contest

Might be closer than you think. Kallis' bowling almost brings him up to Sachin's level as a cricketer

 

[Daemon]

Kallis would be the best quick in many of the Indian sides Tendulkar played in.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He was a handy support bowler but his figures flatter him

And his stats affected by playing in SA which is bowler friendly (except when he was batting)

 

[Coronis]

He was a handy support bowler but his figures flatter him

And his stats affected by playing in SA which is bowler friendly (except when he was batting)

Ridiculously underrated home record.