Jacques Kallis vs Sachin Tendulkar

[subshakerz]

To give Kallis credit, his record at home is his singular greatest achievement and he stands tall above others in mastering SA's difficult batting conditions.

But that is neutralised by his poor record in England when he really had no excuse for not scoring there. No SC bat would be considered top tier if they averaged sub-40 in England.

 

[Godard]

He used the wrong method to get the right answer.

Kallis did average 35 in England after playing 15 matches. Also averages 35 in SL(less matches tho)

 

[subshakerz]

Kallis' low SR is his biggest downfall, more so than lower averages in a couple countries

I think its the opposite. If he averages 40 plus in all countries, that sort of consistency can potentially make up for a lesser SR. Though obviously not in a contest with Tendulkar.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Which is why context helps...

More context makes it worse for him

 

[TheJediBrah]

Let's also not pretend anyone's saying he wasn't a great Test batsman. It's not like he was terrible like he was in ODIs. He was an ATG by any definition.

He's just not in the same league as Sachin, Lara, Viv etc.

 

[subshakerz]

Kallis:
- Far behind in peer rating
- Not as consistent across countries
- Much less aggressive and lacked an extra gear to accelerate
- Only a couple of paltry double tons
- Almost no standout, high pressure innings over his career that displays his skills at his best

 

[Jack1]

To give Kallis credit, his record at home is his singular greatest achievement and he stands tall above others in mastering SA's difficult batting conditions.

But that is neutralised by his poor record in England when he really had no excuse for not scoring there. No SC bat would be considered top tier if they averaged sub-40 in England.

55+ average test bat from 166 matches is certainly top tier .

 

[StephenZA]

More context makes it worse for him

It really doesn't... largely it means that people of viewing him from a bias and don't understand SA cricket or the way it operates (or does not operate at this stage!)

 

[subshakerz]

55+ average test bat from 166 matches is certainly top tier .

Mohd Yousuf averages the same as Lara and is around 20-30 places behind him in a proper batting list.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah context is for ****s. Analysis by checklist for bulls like subshakerz and TJB.

There is no context to explain away Kallis' record in England. It's not just the scores, he also looked terrible for some reason on most tours there.

 

[subshakerz]

It really doesn't... largely it means that people of viewing him from a bias and don't understand SA cricket or the way it operates (or does not operate at this stage!)

Understanding SA cricket makes it worse for him.

 

[Godard]

55+ average test bat from 166 matches is certainly top tier .

Only batted in one of the easiest eras for batting. Still Tendulkar at some point in 2010- 2011, had more runs at a higher average than Kallis would at the end of his career.

 

[StephenZA]

My biggest consistent issue in these comparison thread is quite simple... people have personal biased opinion, that is not a problem. We all have opinions on different players and how to rate them. Its the attempt at consistent quantitative bullshit to try explain why your opinion is better than someone else. Simple answer... it is not a better opinion, its just retroactive nonsense trying to denigrate or lift a player to make oneself feel better in their personal opinion.

 

[Burgey]

Says the guy who just posted about Pietersen > Inzy and Mahela

TBF Pietersen walks all over Jayawardene as a test player. He and Inzi a much closer comparison.

 

[trundler]

Kallis:
- Far behind in peer rating

 

[Prince EWS]

There is no context to explain away Kallis' record in England. It's not just the scores, he also looked terrible for some reason on most tours there.

Analysis by checklist is the only reason averaging 'only' 35 in England matters though.

 

[Prince EWS]

Like I definitely voted for Sachin (not that close IMO) but 'muh holes in records' and 'muh peer review' are such pointless arguments for it. GAGF. Makes me want to vote for Kallis.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I can't believe StephenZA continues to think he understands South African cricket better than subshakerz. It's really weird. Like, why would he think that?

 

[Burgey]

Your face makes me want to vote for Kallis

 

[Burgey]

Only batted in one of the easiest eras for batting. Still Tendulkar at some point in 2010- 2011, had more runs at a higher average than Kallis would at the end of his career.

Kallis played for half the 90s.