Ponting vs Kohli

[BazBall21]

Dravid by a narrow margin.

Yeah. I don't think Kohli vs Ponting is a serious debate. Kohli vs Dravid would be. Root v Dravid is close too but I'd vote Dravid for now.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Yeah. I don't think Kohli vs Ponting is a serious debate. Kohli vs Dravid would be. Root v Dravid is close too but I'd vote Dravid for now.

Dravid and Ponting is a close debate too

 

[BazBall21]

Dravid and Ponting is a close debate too

I used to think so given Dravid averaging in excess of 50 outside Asia and Ponting's India struggles, but I find now that Ponting has very few caveats outside failing in one country. Dravid vs Sangakkara is more debatable.

 

[Xuhaib]

Ponting is alone in that middle tier below Lara/Sachin but above Dravid, Kallis and Sanga.

 

[trundler]

Kohli Vs Dravid isn't close for mostly the same reasons. Dravid's peak was twice as long in terms of both years and tests. Kohli fell off a cliff around the ~80 test mark which is rapidly early for modern ATGs.

 

[BazBall21]

Kohli Vs Dravid isn't close for mostly the same reasons. Dravid's peak was twice as long in terms of both years and tests. Kohli fell off a cliff around the ~80 test mark which is rapidly early for modern ATGs.

What do you think happened? Too much pressure or his basic technique just wasn't made to compensate fading reflexes? Limited Overs isn't without it's positive effects but think he would be better off retiring from T20 and focusing on a few more Test hundreds. Probably doesn't have that in mind now after a good World Cup tbf.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Kohli Vs Dravid isn't close for mostly the same reasons. Dravid's peak was twice as long in terms of both years and tests. Kohli fell off a cliff around the ~80 test mark which is rapidly early for modern ATGs.

That's because of a combination of workload and his decline coinciding with the worst batting era since the 50s.

 

[_00_deathscar]

That's because of a combination of workload and his decline coinciding with the worst batting era since the 50s.

Its one of the worst declines of all time though - it’s not a forgivable one.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Its one of the worst declines of all time though - it’s not a forgivable one.

Only if you don't factor the era he has to bat in

 

[honestbharani]

I dont think you can call it a career comparison when one career is still going on. For now, Ponting but could well be Virat by the time he retires.

 

[trundler]

What do you think happened? Too much pressure or his basic technique just wasn't made to compensate fading reflexes? Limited Overs isn't without it's positive effects but think he would be better off retiring from T20 and focusing on a few more Test hundreds. Probably doesn't have that in mind now after a good World Cup tbf.

It just seemed mental. Pun intended. Happened overnight and he got stuck in a rut. Plus there was no respite in terms of conditions.

 

[trundler]

Only if you don't factor the era he has to bat in

It is still legendarily bad. 3 years without a century, third worst average of any batsman in the world, failing to cash in at home against soft attacks. Not even old man Dravid when he kept getting bowled wasn't that bad. Even terminal declines are better statistically.

 

[ankitj]

Ponting is alone in that middle tier below Lara/Sachin but above Dravid, Kallis and Sanga.

You need to add "IMO"

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Yeah in Tests surely this isn’t even a question

In ODIs too

 

[chris.hinton]

Kohil is yesterday's man now and India should move forward and get him out the side

 

[Gob]

Kohil is yesterday's man now and India should move forward and get him out the side

Do you have rocks in your head?

 

[Everton Seymour]

Ponting ..He carried on with cricket (like Tendulkar)for too long so it looks like it is close but it isn't ...Kohli has played 102 Tests. When Ponting was on that matches played his average was like 58/59.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Only if you don't factor the era he has to bat in

No, even factoring that in. It's a tough era to bat in. It's not mid-20s bad.

 

[_00_deathscar]

It just seemed mental. Pun intended. Happened overnight and he got stuck in a rut. Plus there was no respite in terms of conditions.

Yea he was absolutely imperious in that Adelaide 36/9 test before Rahane did a dumb thing. And then he was basically never the same.

 

[ZK$]

Kohli has had an 11 year/100 test career averaging 50. Ponting at the same stage of his career was averaging 60. Kohli has played in a significantly harder era for batting, but it doesn’t make up for a 10 point difference.