smash84
The Tiger King
Garry Kirsten was such a great coach for India. Handled everything so well, its a shame he didn't come back after his 3 year stint ended. As I understand, BCCI wanted him but he didn't want to be away from family?
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2nd Semi Final | Ind vs Eng | Adelaide, 10 Nov 2022
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flibbertyjibber
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Some stuffing that. The Indians are very quiet at work today and none are looking me in the eye. Were giving it large at 7am. Oh dear.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
haha this is offensive af
but I am totally just going to refer to Pakistan as "mental midgets" moving forward now
good content
Arachnodouche
International Captain
I'll take this over getting dismantled similarly in the final. Pak were craving revenge and would've totally stripped and strangled these pansies before a 100,000 people at the G. No thanks.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
When your team's template for T20 or ODIs is the best example of the definition of insanity, there is very little to feel good as a supporter/fan of that team.
It would be one thing had the team tried to go down the aggressive route as batsmen that was promised and then lost this badly. But the cycle alwyas repeats. We are outclassed in WC KO games, we go back and promise to play a different brand of cricket, try certain players, dump certain players, but just before the WC we panic and either bring back those discarded players or go back to that method of cricket.
There is no way in hell Shami, Bhuvi, Chahal or Kuldeep are good enough bowlers in LO formats to defend picking them over bowlers who can actually bat and/or field, and therefore at least allow our batting to take more chances up top. And with the batting, Rahul is the very definition of a mental midget, and that is being harsh on midgets. T20 teams and even ODI teams need allround options. Unless you have a patently powerful bowling line up like Pak or Aus (and they often go the journey too), it is always safer to bet on #batdeep these days in LO cricket.
Look for enough left handers and enough varieties of bowlers so that you can be prepared for all sorts of match-ups and conditions, give up on uber specialists - and by this, I not only mean batsmen who cant bowl or bowlers who cant bat, but also include players like DK who cant bat when there is more than 20 balls left or Harshal Patel or Kuldeep who cant bowl in the Powerplay etc. - and look for players who have specific skillsets than players who can play specific situations.
Going forward, our investment should start with experimenting with Pant as a LO opener or just dropping him for good from all LO formats for India. Rohit should not be selected for T20s going forward and if we think Pandya is the captaincy material we need, then we should go all in on him now. I would suggest looking at below combination to start with, for our T20 future -
Pant (wk) (vc) (backup- Ishan Kishan)
Gill (backup - Ruturaj Gaekwad)
Virat (backup - Shreyas Iyer)
SKY (backup - no idea, we have no one this good. Maybe Sarfraz Khan)
Tilak Verma (backup - no idea again, need left-handed MO options. For now, Abhishek Sharma??)
Hardik (c) - (backup - Dube?? 3D?? Ideally dont have one but maybe invest in Raj Bawa? Hangergekar?)
Washington Sundar - (backup - Krunal Pandya??)
Deepak Chahar - (backup - Yash Dhayal???)
Shardul Thakur - (backup - Harshal Patel??)
Ravi Bishnoi - (backup - Rahul Chahar??)
Jasprit Bumrah - (backup - Arshdeep Singh)
If we cant see the light after this loss, we never will. T20 is a game of high variance and it brings teams closer together than any other format even if there is a gulf in their actual pure cricketing skills, but even given all that, the last T20 WC was very much more of a lottery with the toss and the conditions than this one and we were simply outclassed by a far better T20 outfit, not just on the day, but I guess overall on balance across all conditions.
It would be one thing had the team tried to go down the aggressive route as batsmen that was promised and then lost this badly. But the cycle alwyas repeats. We are outclassed in WC KO games, we go back and promise to play a different brand of cricket, try certain players, dump certain players, but just before the WC we panic and either bring back those discarded players or go back to that method of cricket.
There is no way in hell Shami, Bhuvi, Chahal or Kuldeep are good enough bowlers in LO formats to defend picking them over bowlers who can actually bat and/or field, and therefore at least allow our batting to take more chances up top. And with the batting, Rahul is the very definition of a mental midget, and that is being harsh on midgets. T20 teams and even ODI teams need allround options. Unless you have a patently powerful bowling line up like Pak or Aus (and they often go the journey too), it is always safer to bet on #batdeep these days in LO cricket.
Look for enough left handers and enough varieties of bowlers so that you can be prepared for all sorts of match-ups and conditions, give up on uber specialists - and by this, I not only mean batsmen who cant bowl or bowlers who cant bat, but also include players like DK who cant bat when there is more than 20 balls left or Harshal Patel or Kuldeep who cant bowl in the Powerplay etc. - and look for players who have specific skillsets than players who can play specific situations.
Going forward, our investment should start with experimenting with Pant as a LO opener or just dropping him for good from all LO formats for India. Rohit should not be selected for T20s going forward and if we think Pandya is the captaincy material we need, then we should go all in on him now. I would suggest looking at below combination to start with, for our T20 future -
Pant (wk) (vc) (backup- Ishan Kishan)
Gill (backup - Ruturaj Gaekwad)
Virat (backup - Shreyas Iyer)
SKY (backup - no idea, we have no one this good. Maybe Sarfraz Khan)
Tilak Verma (backup - no idea again, need left-handed MO options. For now, Abhishek Sharma??)
Hardik (c) - (backup - Dube?? 3D?? Ideally dont have one but maybe invest in Raj Bawa? Hangergekar?)
Washington Sundar - (backup - Krunal Pandya??)
Deepak Chahar - (backup - Yash Dhayal???)
Shardul Thakur - (backup - Harshal Patel??)
Ravi Bishnoi - (backup - Rahul Chahar??)
Jasprit Bumrah - (backup - Arshdeep Singh)
If we cant see the light after this loss, we never will. T20 is a game of high variance and it brings teams closer together than any other format even if there is a gulf in their actual pure cricketing skills, but even given all that, the last T20 WC was very much more of a lottery with the toss and the conditions than this one and we were simply outclassed by a far better T20 outfit, not just on the day, but I guess overall on balance across all conditions.
smash84
The Tiger King
No way, Pak wouldn't have been able to take the pressure of facing India in a World Cup final and would have given a listless performance to lose by 6 wickets or something
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
TBF Pak are just as likely to choke as us.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
mental midgets v stripped pansies eh? a true dream match
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Doubt it. They would have choked like they always did. Plus India have favourable stylistic match against Pakistan
Teja.
Global Moderator
It is important to note that Joe Root who is a premier 50 avg 90 SR specialist was thrown to the bushes by the England side when he was not seen as a fit for the aggressive team batting philosophy.
In India, we would have carried him to 7 failed tournaments, 10000 LO runs, a couple of Padmas and maybe even a Bharat Ratna.
In India, we would have carried him to 7 failed tournaments, 10000 LO runs, a couple of Padmas and maybe even a Bharat Ratna.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Its amazing that inspite of an entire team crapping the bed, we find a way to blame the best damn player in the side.
If England had Virat Kohli, they would have won 3 WCs by now, instead of the 1 they have.
Arachnodouche
International Captain
Nonsense. They've turned a corner against us of late and look far more assertive and up for the challenge. Our guys are stuck doing the bhaichaara and "we're looking at it as just another game" routine. It's not just another game, jackass, pull your head out your ass and get busy.
Sunil1z
International Regular
Nah , he isn’t blaming Kohli . He blaming our batting approach. A top order of Rahul, Rohit and Virat isn’t sustainable in a T20 game .2 of these 3 have to go.
Teja.
Global Moderator
I was not commenting on Virat at all. Virat deserves a place in any batting order.
My critique is of 50 avg 90 SR mindset. Virat is like the John Cena of the PG era. He is great enough at T20s to make a faliure of a philosophy sometimes work but the rot is systemic.
There is no player based solution to a spiritual problem.
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cnerd123
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Lokesh and Rahul really need to go and I doubt Virat has another T20 WC in him.
Drop all 3 and let them focus on Tests and the ODI WC in 2023. Start grooming the next gen in the bilateral T20s vs NZ.
We don't really do A-Team cricket tour as much anymore. Keep the Test squad separate and groom the next gen whenever we do have A Team 'test' tours. Use JAMODIs and T20Is to build for the World Cups.
Really this is common sense and should have been done a decade ago but the BCCI never learns.
Drop all 3 and let them focus on Tests and the ODI WC in 2023. Start grooming the next gen in the bilateral T20s vs NZ.
We don't really do A-Team cricket tour as much anymore. Keep the Test squad separate and groom the next gen whenever we do have A Team 'test' tours. Use JAMODIs and T20Is to build for the World Cups.
Really this is common sense and should have been done a decade ago but the BCCI never learns.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Yes but the fact that you could not bring yourself to say it has to be Rohit and Rahul is the problem.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I agree, twice.