Group 1 (Afghanistan, Australia, England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Ireland)

[TheJediBrah]

So you need something lower if England win by any margin?

I think that's the score Aus need if England win their game by a margin that matches their current net run rate

I don't really know how NRR works but that would make sense

 

[Spark]

lmao there is absolutely no way they deserve to go through on the quality of cricket alone

 

[trundler]

You're telling me, you think the 2 Afganistan opening bowlers are better than every fast bowler in Australia except Hazlewood?

lol bro

Nah those are your words. People always seem to overestimate bench strength by a lot.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Australia didn't deserve to make the super-12s. Half their players wouldn't make some of the minnow sides

 

[Ashes81]

ICC don't have a clue on how to run tournaments..

England have such a big advantage playing the last match , they will know exactly what they need to do to qualify, and if Australia win this match then Sri Lanka cannot qualify no matter what so their motivation to win is less .

Agree totally.

I'm English and obviously want us to go through but for the last group games, all 3 matches should be played at the same time.

Obviously it's done this way for TV, to spread the games out and we're probably playing last for the TV audience in England on a Saturday morning but it's ridiculous really.

Look at the other group - who's playing last - India. Merely a coincidence that India and England are given this advantage - I very much doubt it - money talks.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Nah those are your words. People always seem to overestimate bench strength by a lot.

I don't understand what you meant at all then

 

[honestbharani]

Got em. Rashid to roll the terrible middle order. Afghanistan to win, then Hasuranga to beat England at the SCG.

NZ - SL final.

You forgot the part where your lot choke to RSA in the semis.

 

[morgieb]

Problem is I think you will need more than just to get past England NRR because they have the advantage of playing tomorrow, would need a bit of an advantage over them in NRR fo create some pressure

Well, yes.

I've got no idea what would require England to do more than merely win - probably around 60?

 

[Spark]

Well, yes.

I've got no idea what would require England to do more than merely win - probably around 60?

The cutoff is around 105 apparently

 

[trundler]

I don't understand what you meant at all then

Pretending their are dozens of better options just waiting to be discovered is cope. People want KL Rahul dumped but he's still the best IPL bully and whoever replaces him is going to suck harder. Same thing here

 

[morgieb]

The cutoff is around 105 apparently

More talking about "what would cause England to feel pressure beyond merely winning", rather than raw NRR.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Pretending their are dozens of better options just waiting to be discovered is cope. People want KL Rahul dumped but he's still the best IPL bully and whoever replaces him is going to suck harder. Same thing here

Dozens might have been an exaggeration, but so was saying that the Afghan openers were better than Starc tbh

Agree with your point though. It's a very common form of cope when the national team is playing poorly to pretend that it's all just because of selection and there are way better players available that just aren't selected

I really think it's true here though lol

 

[ashley bach]

Hello!!

 

[Magrat Garlick]

The cutoff is around 105 apparently

nah they're forgetting that England's NRR can go down even with a win, so add ~10 runs to that

 

[BeeGee]

Decent nudge, that.

 

[srbhkshk]

Well, yes.

I've got no idea what would require England to do more than merely win - probably around 60?

England's NRR is 0.547 - assuming a 20 over each side game they will maintain that nrr if they win by ~10 runs.

Australia needs to win by ~60 to catch up to that NRR. Need to win by ~75 if they want to have a margin of about ~25 runs on an England win.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Any exact cut-off target is kind of pointless given it depends on England's game's results

But it's starting to look like Aus aren't getting ahead on NRR, and just need England to lose. And to beat Afghanistan today of course

 

[trundler]

Dozens might have been an exaggeration, but so was saying that the Afghan openers were better than Starc tbh

Agree with your point though. It's a very common form of cope when the national team is playing poorly to pretend that it's all just because of selection and there are way better players available that just aren't selected

Yeah it ties into pretending random FC pros would've averaged 45 in tests.

 

[srbhkshk]

England's NRR is 0.547 - assuming a 20 over each side game they will maintain that nrr if they win by ~10 runs.

Australia needs to win by ~60 to catch up to that NRR. Need to win by ~75 if they want to have a margin of about ~25 runs on an England win.

having looked at the first over - this is all useless given Afg is gonna win anyway.

 

[morgieb]

Well, that's creative. Nearly pulled something out of nothing.