Where does longevity kick in for you? Rank these bowlers

[Daemon]

Anderson > Southee > Akhtar = Bumrah > Kapil > Siddle = Lee > Martin > Gul

Where’s Harris in this? If you rate Bumrah > Kapil, Harris has got to be close

 

[CricAddict]

James Anderson>Kapil Dev>Tim Southee >Brett Lee >Chris Martin >Peter Siddle >Shoaib Akhtar >Jasprit Bumrah >Fidel Edwards >Ryan Harris> Shane Bond>Umar Gul

 

[sunilz]

It's like some desperately want him to be considered an ATG then work backwards from there justifying it

No one except PFK considers Kapil to be ATG bowler. However I do think , he is ATG cricketer and he would have made atleast 95% of teams that have played ( not hypothetical ATG teams ).

 

[mr_mister]

No one except PFK considers Kapil to be ATG bowler. However I do think , he is ATG cricketer and he would have made atleast 95% of teams that have played ( not hypothetical ATG teams ).

Is that requirement for ATG though? Because 95% of teams had at least a passenger or two in it. Sourav Ganguly would probably make most teams in history, I'd have him over Gus Logie in the 80s Windies powerhouse team. But nobody calls him ATG

 

[sunilz]

Is that requirement for ATG though? Because 95% of teams had at least a passenger or two in it. Sourav Ganguly would probably make most teams in history, I'd have him over Gus Logie in the 80s Windies powerhouse team. But nobody calls him ATG

Ganguly would have been potential ATG if his record against Aus team of 95-07 was like Kapil's against WI and he would also have around 150-200 test wickets @ 34-35

 

[_00_deathscar]

Is that requirement for ATG though? Because 95% of teams had at least a passenger or two in it. Sourav Ganguly would probably make most teams in history, I'd have him over Gus Logie in the 80s Windies powerhouse team. But nobody calls him ATG

No but that's clearly not the only requirement. Are you arguing that Kapil wasn't an ATG cricketer (rather than an ATG bat or bowler)?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Ganguly would have been potential ATG if his record against Aus team of 95-07 was like Kapil's against WI and he would also have around 150-200 test wickets @ 34-35

I'm jumping in at the end of this but in what galaxy is Ganguly averaging 34-35 with the ball in Test cricket

 

[Daemon]

I'm jumping in at the end of this but in what galaxy is Ganguly averaging 34-35 with the ball in Test cricket

Maybe if he switched to offspin and bowled on the pitches Jadeja/Ashwin get to bowl on

 

[mr_mister]

No but that's clearly not the only requirement. Are you arguing that Kapil wasn't an ATG cricketer (rather than an ATG bat or bowler)?

He had ATG performances in him no doubt but I don't consider him ATG due to his overall averages

If we lower the requirements for ATG allrounder to ~30 with bat and ball we're opening the books up to any ol riff raff

ATG all round stats should be Imran-Miller-Faulkner-Sobers stuff

He was obviously a very famous cricketer but so was Ian Chappell

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I'm jumping in at the end of this but in what galaxy is Ganguly averaging 34-35 with the ball in Test cricket

Or take 150-200 wickets when he took 32 in 113 tests?

 

[honestbharani]

Maybe if he switched to offspin and bowled on the pitches Jadeja/Ashwin get to bowl on

#stillbetterthanSwann

 

[honestbharani]

I'm jumping in at the end of this but in what galaxy is Ganguly averaging 34-35 with the ball in Test cricket

 

[Daemon]

#stillbetterthanSwann

appalling use of the hashtag

 

[ankitj]

I don't know how Ganguly entered this discussion but I recall when Ganguly was young and knocking at Indian team's doors, he was touted to be best all-round talent in Indian domestic circuit. Not merely can-bowl-occasionally kind of player he became on international stage. Shows how transition from domestic to international can be difficult and force players to re-assess their roles and styles.

 

[mr_mister]

Ganguly opened the bowling at times right? Makes me think he was occasionally in the top 2 pace bowlers at times for his country. And from Kapil to Zaheer, other then Srinath and Prasad, who the **** was there?

 

[honestbharani]

Ganguly opened the bowling at times right? Makes me think he was occasionally in the top 2 pace bowlers at times for his country. And from Kapil to Zaheer, other then Srinath and Prasad, who the **** was there?

Gavaskar.

 

[mr_mister]

And that one random dude with the completey out of place anglo name, Dave something

And if course, Agarkar. But Ganguly could bowl!

 

[ankitj]

Ganguly opened the bowling at times right? Makes me think he was occasionally in the top 2 pace bowlers at times for his country. And from Kapil to Zaheer, other then Srinath and Prasad, who the **** was there?

This series was the peak Ganguly or peak any cricketer probably in ODIs.

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[Xuhaib]

This series was the peak Ganguly or peak any cricketer probably in ODIs.

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It's the series where Mohanty had Saeed Anwar in his pocket possibly the only time India kept Anwar in check.

There is a funny Sachin interview on YT about this where Anwar went up to Sachin and asked where the hell did you find this Mohanty. I leave the ball it comes in, I play it hits the edge.

 

[mr_mister]

It's the series where Mohanty had Saeed Anwar in his pocket possibly the only time India kept Anwar in check.

There is a funny Sachin interview on YT about this where Anwar went up to Sachin and asked where the hell did you find this Mohanty. I leave the ball it comes in, I play it hits the edge.

So that's what got Mohanty enough cred to feature on the logo for the '99 WC

Why did he fall out of favour so fast?