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Ian Botham v Shaun Pollock

Greater cricketer, Ian Botham vs Shaun Pollock


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Gob

International Coach
Wonder what made Pollock so ineffective towards his last four to five years whereas McGrath remained as potent till the very end. Can't be the pace surely since they both bowled at the same pace. Or was Pollock considerably quicker than McGrath when he was younger can't recall
 

trundler

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Or was Pollock considerably quicker than McGrath when he was younger can't recall
Think so. He lost the lift he generated with the higher pace. McGrath was also taller I guess. Did Pollock reverse it much?
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Wonder what made Pollock so ineffective towards his last four to five years whereas McGrath remained as potent till the very end. Can't be the pace surely since they both bowled at the same pace. Or was Pollock considerably quicker than McGrath when he was younger can't recall
When Pollock debuted he was an outright quick and then he chose to cut his pace.
 

thierry henry

International Coach
I have heard this this about Pollock being an outright quick many times before and I can't find one piece of footage or evidence suggesting it's true. Always had that same lumbering run up and slow, mechanical action. Never had the raw materials to be really quick.
 

thierry henry

International Coach
And McGrath was also quicker at the start of his career than later on. His action looked slightly different, faster run up and more of a leap. I would postulate that young McGrath was even a shade quicker than young Pollock.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
I have heard this this about Pollock being an outright quick many times before and I can't find one piece of footage or evidence suggesting it's true. Always had that same lumbering run up and slow, mechanical action. Never had the raw materials to be really quick.
There is some footage here from his debut series. Check 1:20 onwards and throughout the video. Seems a yard quicker than where he was later on. He is actually bouncing out batsmen.
 

Bolo.

International Captain
I have heard this this about Pollock being an outright quick many times before and I can't find one piece of footage or evidence suggesting it's true. Always had that same lumbering run up and slow, mechanical action. Never had the raw materials to be really quick.
Not express, but he was labeled a genuine fast for the majority of his career. Fastest I remember seeing him timed was something like 148, but my memory is hazy. May have clocked faster while I was watching that I don't remember, when I wasn't watching, or when the gun wasn't on (and there was seldom a gun early in his career).

Clear memory of him sending a whole over through at 144.x/145.x. Memorable because I had never seen an over with every ball within a km of each other, not the speed itself. He was bowling quicker than average that day, but it was several years into his career and he had probably intentionally slowed by then. I don't think you can clock this kind of kind of consistency if not bowling within yourself to some degree.

His pace dropped a bunch, then picked up a bit repeatedly after injuries started hitting him around 2002.
 

Migara

International Coach
I have heard this this about Pollock being an outright quick many times before and I can't find one piece of footage or evidence suggesting it's true. Always had that same lumbering run up and slow, mechanical action. Never had the raw materials to be really quick.
1996 WC, Pollock was one on one was as quick as Donald. That was the first time I saw him and my reaction was "****, how does he bowl that quick with that lazy runup?"
 

Migara

International Coach
There is some footage here from his debut series. Check 1:20 onwards and throughout the video. Seems a yard quicker than where he was later on. He is actually bouncing out batsmen.
Donald, Schultz and Pollock in same match. That is some serious heat, very similar to what West Indies managed to produce in 80s.
 

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
And I assume Klusener was decent for a time too going by that debut 8 fer. Or was that a fluke
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
And I assume Klusener was decent for a time too going by that debut 8 fer. Or was that a fluke
Yeah he was good enough as a fourth seamer but well below the others. That 8fer was amazing in that in my recollection I wondered how he got those wickets since he didnt seem that menacing.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Also had McMillan, Richard Snell, Steven Jack, Craig Matthews and then Nantie Hayward who was quick a few years later.
 

Bolo.

International Captain
Klusener was fast for a few years. Saw him hit over 150, I think. Didn't offer much else though.
 

Migara

International Coach
Also had McMillan, Richard Snell, Steven Jack, Craig Matthews and then Nantie Hayward who was quick a few years later.
MacMillan, Snell and Matthews were not express, Big Mac could hit the bat hard, but others were pretty much fast medium. Nantie Hayward was fast but his compass was most of the time has gone haywire
 

Bolo.

International Captain
MacMillan, Snell and Matthews were not express, Big Mac could hit the bat hard, but others were pretty much fast medium. Nantie Hayward was fast but his compass was most of the time has gone haywire
Snell was still pretty quick, although far from express. The other 2 were slow, and the only quality players on that list.
 

Migara

International Coach
Snell was still pretty quick, although far from express. The other 2 were slow, and the only quality players on that list.
I have seen Snell in action in 1994 tour to SL, and looked very pedestrian. Dulip Liyanage and Champaka Ramanayake were hurrying batsmen more than him. Liyanage of course was pacy, but Ramanayake was just medium fast. On Snell's side of story he bowled mostly to de Silva and Ranatunga, who were playing Donald and Schultz pretty well.
 

Bolo.

International Captain
I have seen Snell in action in 1994 tour to SL, and looked very pedestrian. Dulip Liyanage and Champaka Ramanayake were hurrying batsmen more than him. Liyanage of course was pacy, but Ramanayake was just medium fast. On Snell's side of story he bowled mostly to de Silva and Ranatunga, who were playing Donald and Schultz pretty well.
Long time ago and he didn't play much, but I thought he looked 140+, and he looks pretty quick on youtube to me. Mathews was low 130s and looked a fair bit slower. Mcmillan from the few balls I saw clocked was also low 130s, but judging his pace was beyond me.
 

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