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Chris Cairns vs Flintoff?
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subshakerz
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I think I would choose Flintoff if I was a captain. Once you take out minnows, they are much closer statistically.
Both were fairly mediocre batsmen, but Flintoff once he hit his strides was a more quality bowler capable of good spells even when he wasn't taking wickets. His issue was that he used to bowl back of a length which didn't yield him many wickets but make no mistake, 2003/4 onwards batsmen generally had much more respect for him when he was bowling. That aspect isn't reflected in his bowling stats.
Both were fairly mediocre batsmen, but Flintoff once he hit his strides was a more quality bowler capable of good spells even when he wasn't taking wickets. His issue was that he used to bowl back of a length which didn't yield him many wickets but make no mistake, 2003/4 onwards batsmen generally had much more respect for him when he was bowling. That aspect isn't reflected in his bowling stats.
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subshakerz
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Without minnows, Cairns is 32 with bat and bowl, pretty much like Flintoff.
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Lillian Thomson
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Slippy did this comparison a few years ago with alarming results.
vicleggie
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Must be very hard supporting NZ then.
mr_mister
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Flintoff used Murray mints
ImpatientLime
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was actually about three years between 03-06 where he was average around 39 with the bat and 27 with the ball. the elusive all rounder putting both facets of his game together etc
flintoffs peak deffo higher but cairns quite clear over his career i feel.
Zinzan
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Cairns quite clearly assuming we're talking Test cricket.
For those who reference Flintoff's Ashes exploits, it ain't Cairns' fault he played in weak NZ sides vs. Australia (bar the 2001/02 side) so couldn't contribute to wins, but he put Warne & co to the sword with the bat enough times to suggest he would have done in stronger sides.
For those who reference Flintoff's Ashes exploits, it ain't Cairns' fault he played in weak NZ sides vs. Australia (bar the 2001/02 side) so couldn't contribute to wins, but he put Warne & co to the sword with the bat enough times to suggest he would have done in stronger sides.
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Zinzan
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In 49 tests between 1995-2004 (a 10 year period), Cairns averaged 37 with bat & 27 with ball.
GIMH
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Peak Flintoff was ridiculous and a player any team would want. Post-peak his value to the team probably isn’t reflected in his stats. Took a while to get to his peak though.
If he’d looked after himself during his career as well as he does now then he’d have achieved so much more.
If he’d looked after himself during his career as well as he does now then he’d have achieved so much more.