New Zealand fast bowlers who are 'definitely' better than Kapil Dev

[Flem274*]

Bond was a cop and Dev went into the army, both points which should count against them.

Says something that Bond was the only coach to come out of captaincygate with his integrity.

Hesson and Sandle worse than cops. Get twitter on the case.

 

[trundler]

Bond revisionism makes me wonder how hard the narrative would swing on Bumrah in 10 years if the injury he had around test 20 and 80 wickets or so knocked him out.

"Bumrah isn't even better than RP Singh ffs"

Bumrah has been India's MVP in several away series already. Bond just broke down in Aus and never returned. He played less than two tests per year and never two in a row ffs.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I’ve only speed read the thread, so will mention Kapil’s moustache in case it hasn’t been mentioned already and move on.

 

[Athlai]

Indian fans dying on the hill of one of their pace bowlers being a true ATG with the ball was unexpected but good. Its like us arguing Vettori would make it into an Indian team on bowling alone. Sure, for like 3 Tests.

 

[Flem274*]

Bumrah has been India's MVP in several away series already. Bond just broke down in Aus and never returned. He played less than two tests per year and never two in a row ffs.

Awards count for me but not for thee, thou worse than Chatfield.

Chatfield.

I might sig it.

 

[Johan]

Kapil can be the change bowler in the team of hadlee and bond , with wagner as the spinner ofcourse , as he would have support and would have better stats in general.

vettori might genuinely not make fourth all time india XI with the ball but could as an all rounder

 

[TheJediBrah]

No I find it genuinely hilarious the confidence with which you assert that random shield cricketer would've been ATVG at least when guys like Blewett, Bevan, Elliott and Hayden v1 bombed so hard. It's legit FP or Stephen bad.

You're delusional and wrong. Trying so hard to paint statements varying from reasonable to objectively factual as if they are FP or Migara-level does nothing but reflect poorly on you. And read the room. The general consensus re Bevan agreed with me. And suggesting that Stuart Law could have had a Graeme Thorpe like career is not unreasonable. He averaged more in FC cricket and played more in a tougher competition.

Stop trying so hard, not doing yourself any favours

 

[trundler]

Awards count for me but not for thee, thou worse than Chatfield.

Chatfield.

I might sig it.

I didn't mean literal awards but he has been India's best player in England, Australia and SA. His averages in SENA are Akramesque but you'd be mental to suggest Bumrah is better than Akram because of the volume of wickets.

 

[Athlai]

You're delusional and wrong. Trying so hard to paint statements varying from reasonable to objectively factual as if they are FP or Migara-level does nothing but reflect poorly on you. And read the room. The general consensus re Bevan agreed with me. And suggesting that Stuart Law could have had a Graeme Thorpe like career is not unreasonable. He averaged more in FC cricket and played more in a tougher competition.

Stop trying so hard, not doing yourself any favours

This isnt how you do it

 

[Johan]

You're delusional and wrong. Trying so hard to paint statements varying from reasonable to objectively factual as if they are FP or Migara-level does nothing but reflect poorly on you. And read the room. The general consensus re Bevan agreed with me. And suggesting that Stuart Law could have had a Graeme Thorpe like career is not unreasonable. He averaged more in FC cricket and played more in a tougher competition.

Stop trying so hard, not doing yourself any favours

I really need to find the context behind this migara stuff

 

[the big bambino]

Genuine question, would you say Cowie is also better than Anderson?

I don't really care about the Bond thing, Kapil could do whatever Kapil did 10 kph quicker if he was okay getting injured for 9 out of 10 matches he had to play,

That's true about Bond but he still had that aura of fear. Then again Kapil had a magnificent record v WI and in Oz which I think is even more impressive than his 434 wickets overall. I'm not going to defend what I've said to the death and can easily see why people would rate Kapil higher. t Kapil's achievements rank Bond's ... it's just that I had butterflies whenever he played Australia and I'm reacting to that feeling.

I hope what I'm about to say wont get me into an Anderson **** fight because I do rate him. I rate many bowlers above him. Kapil and Cowie included. In his element he's magnificent. Otherwise I think he has to play an end stopping role. So for example I think in certain conditions like In Oz then someone like Archer would be the more worrisome bowler with Anderson playing a support role.

 

[ZK$]

Bumrah is in the same tier as guys like Bishop and Shoaib at the moment. They all did enough to prove that they would become ATGs if it wasn’t for injuries.

Bond didn’t really do enough. He could have easily ended up with a record similar to Starc in odi and test cricket.

 

[Athlai]

Bumrah is in the same tier as guys like Bishop and Shoaib at the moment. They all did enough to prove that they would become ATGs if it wasn’t for injuries.

Bond didn’t really do enough. He could have easily ended up with a record similar to Starc in odi and test cricket.

287 @27?

 

[TheJediBrah]

That's true about Bond but he still had that aura of fear. Then again Kapil had a magnificent record v WI and in Oz which I think is even more impressive than his 434 wickets overall. I'm not going to defend what I've said to the death and can easily see why people would rate Kapil higher. t Kapil's achievements rank Bond's ... it's just that I had butterflies whenever he played Australia and I'm reacting to that feeling.

I hope what I'm about to say wont get me into an Anderson **** fight because I do rate him. I rate many bowlers above him. Kapil and Cowie included. In his element he's magnificent. Otherwise I think he has to play an end stopping role. So for example I think in certain conditions like In Oz then someone like Archer would be the more worrisome bowler with Anderson playing a support role.

I've never really been an Anderson fan but what you're saying here is at least 5 years out of date. Anderson has been ATG level in almost all conditions for a while now. He doesn't compare overseas to how he is with the duke in overcast England but he's still very, very good.

In the last 5 years he's averaged 23 away from home. He hasn't been a Philander-like conditions-reliant trundler for years

 

[Flem274*]

Bond is an undisputed ODI ATG. I can understand the longevity stuff yadda yadda in test cricket, but there aren't many ODI fast bowlers I'd leave Bond unselected for. He is the only man in history I'm aware of to have the wood on the greatest ODI side of all time over a very respectable sample size.

 

[Flem274*]

I've never really been an Anderson fan but what you're saying here is at least 5 years out of date. Anderson has been ATG level in almost all conditions for a while now. He doesn't compare overseas to how he is with the duke in overcast England but he's still very, very good.

In the last 5 years he's averaged 23 away from home. He hasn't been a Philander-like conditions-reliant trundler for years

Yeah I cursed a good thing about the time I started memeing on the bastard.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bond is an undisputed ODI ATG. I can understand the longevity stuff yadda yadda in test cricket, but there aren't many ODI fast bowlers I'd leave Bond unselected for. He is the only man in history I'm aware of to have the wood on the greatest ODI side of all time over a very respectable sample size.

I'm bored of the longevity card. It's obviously not meaningless but it often just shuts down good discussions when you can just say "didn't play for as long, therefore not as good".

Even though he was fitter, did more and played for longer, Kapil Dev was not as good at bowling as Shane Bond. That should count for something at least, even if it doesn't mean you think Bond was better overall

 

[ZK$]

Anderson’s record over the past 12 years is similar to Pollock’s record over his entire 12 year career. Both are amazing in bowler friendly conditions at home. Away from home, they aren’t as potent but very economical.

 

[trundler]

I've never really been an Anderson fan but what you're saying here is at least 5 years out of date. Anderson has been ATG level in almost all conditions for a while now. He doesn't compare overseas to how he is with the duke in overcast England but he's still very, very good.

In the last 5 years he's averaged 23 away from home. He hasn't been a Philander-like conditions-reliant trundler for years

You're both right in a way. He has improved leaps and bounds but usually he's going to take 2/45 instead of 4-5 or more wickets that seal the deal. He's legit dangerous on wickets with uneven bounce these days so fair play to him.

 

[Johan]

Kapil > Bond has to be peak CW contrarianism lol , Hadlee > Bond > Kapil > other NZ pacers