How strong is Australia's Second ATG XI?

[subshakerz]

It is pretty much taken for granted that Australia have the best country ATG XI. It usually goes something like this:

Hayden
Simpson/Morris
Bradman
Ponting
Smith
Miller
Gilchrist
Warne
O'Reilly
Lillee
McGrath

However, I realized that still leaves so much bench strength to form a second XI, with the likes of Border, Chappell, Lindwall left. What would a second Australia XI look like and which Country XI's could they beat?

 

[TheJediBrah]

which Country XI's could they beat?

Probably everyone except England and West Indies

 

[trundler]

Probably everyone except England and West Indies

Is this the same simulation in which random FC bullies from the 90s are better than Graeme Thorpe?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Is this the same simulation in which random FC bullies from the 90s are better than Graeme Thorpe?

Don't get mad at reality

And you don't have to exaggerate/invent things to perpetuate a narrative, be better than that

 

[subshakerz]

I am thinking:

Simpson
Langer
G. Chappell
Border
S. Waugh
Benaud or I. Chappell - c
Healy - w
Davidson
Lindwall
Cummins
Grimmet

A very strong XI. I don't think Jedi is far off.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Is this the same simulation in which random FC bullies from the 90s are better than Graeme Thorpe?

That would be their 3rd XI to be fair
Their second XI will probably make most side’s first XIs

 

[Line and Length]

A team that looks something like:

Morris/Simpson
Lawry
I.Chappell
G.Chappell
Border
S.Waugh
R.Marsh/Tallon
Davidson
Lindwall
Cummins
Grimmett

looks strong enough to match or better most country's ATG 1st XI other than (as TheJediBrah suggests) England, West INdies and possibly SA.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I am thinking:

Simpson
Langer
G. Chappell
Border
S. Waugh
Benaud or I. Chappell - c
Healy - w
Davidson
Lindwall
Cummins
Grimmet

A very strong XI. I don't think Jedi is far off.

It's clearly better than Pakistan, New Zealand & Ban/Zim

Should beat India more often than not

South Africa is a tricky one, could go either way

 

[Line and Length]

@subshakerz I compiled my post just after you posted yours (which I didn't see beforehand) and there is a remarkable similarity.

 

[Gob]

Second xi also changes from person to person

My first would be

Hayden
Morris
Bradman
Chappell
Smith
Border
Gilchrist
Miller
Warne
Lillee
Mcgrath

So the seconds goes

Langer
Lawry
Ponting
Harvey
Clarke
Waugh
Healy
Davidson
Cummins
Lindwall
O'Reilly

 

[Gob]

It's clearly better than Pakistan, New Zealand & Ban/Zim

Should beat India more often than not

South Africa is a tricky one, could go either way

Wait till Fuller Pilch sees this

 

[Gob]

Ftr it's very difficult to evaluate how England AT side go if they actually play another AT side. They have truly great players like Hobbs and Barnes but at the same time, a pace attack that would likely be thrown up by WI, Aus or SA would be totally new experience for them

 

[Prince EWS]

It is pretty much taken for granted that Australia have the best country ATG XI. It usually goes something like this:

Hayden
Simpson/Morris
Bradman
Ponting
Smith
Miller
Gilchrist
Warne
O'Reilly
Lillee
McGrath

However, I realized that still leaves so much bench strength to form a second XI, with the likes of Border, Chappell, Lindwall left. What would a second Australia XI look like and which Country XI's could they beat?

I really hate this eleven lol, it's almost like you've deliberately tried to trigger me by going the wrong way on every possible contentious call.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I really hate this eleven lol, it's almost like you've deliberately tried to trigger me by going the wrong way on every possible contentious call.

Agree, Rob Quiney should definitely get in ahead of Bradman for the no 3 spot

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I am thinking:

Simpson
Langer
G. Chappell
Border
S. Waugh
Benaud or I. Chappell - c
Healy - w
Davidson
Lindwall
Cummins
Grimmet

A very strong XI. I don't think Jedi is far off.

Benaud can't bat 6.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Benaud can't bat 6.

Yeah Benaud wouldn't be the go there, especially when you've got O'Reilly or Grimmett already

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I agree with most of your side.

Trumper
Lawry
Harvey
G. Chappell
Border (c)
Waugh
Healy (wk)
Davidson
Lindwall
Spofforth
Grimmett

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I agree with most of your side. 3/4 is tough - I've gone G Chappell/McCabe, but on 2nd thoughts Macartney/G Chappell is better.

Harvey?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Wait till Fuller Pilch sees this

I agree. Ignoring Clarrie Grimmett, Williamson (for Harvey) and Watling (for Healy) are the only NZers who'd make an Aussie 2nd XI. However, if the top Australian side went Bradman-G Chappell at 3/4, Williamson would be behind Ponting at no 3, although Crowe would possibly make the side at 4 (50/50 with McCabe).

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Harvey?

Oops forgot about Harvey. Definitely