Mankads

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I don't think we'll ever find out who was lying and who wasn't. It's better to leave it at that. The non-striker repeatedly left the crease before the ball left the bowler's hand, so there's a chance that a warning was given but there is no way to concretely throw weight behind either side on this.

Agreed. I reckon TJB's take earlier is the most likely one (India complained on field about Dean's backing up, but didn't specifically say something like "we are going to mankad you" when they had her attention. Thus they feel she was warned, she doesn't feel like she got a warning, neither party is outright lying) but we can't know.

Since there's no obligation to give a warning it's doesn't affect the legitimacy of the dismissal anyway. But I guess it brings the sites reporting on the story a lot of clicks to keep stirring things.

 

[honestbharani]

Agreed. I reckon TJB's take earlier is the most likely one (India complained on field about Dean's backing up, but didn't specifically say "we are going to mankad you" when they had her attention. Thus they feel she was warned, she doesn't feel like she got a warning, neither party is outright lying) but we can't know.

Since there's no obligation to give a warning it's doesn't affect the legitimacy of the dismissal anyway. But I guess it brings the sites reporting on it a lot of clicks.

Even then, I would argue Heather cannot come out and say that an entire team and its players are lying. I just dont see any way Heather can be right here, coz as a person who was not there, she really need not have commented on anything except maybe her own feelings on it when asked.

 

[GIMH]

Anti-climatic way to win a match but not one to complain about losing that way. IMO.

It’s not really enforceable but the best way to be rid of it would be that you can’t be out before the ball is released but that the ground underneath the non-striker blows up if they try and set off before the ball is released. That’ll stop them

 

[Days of Grace]

What if a bowler attempts a mankad by throwing the ball at the stumps but they miss? Can the batters run overthrows?

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

I don't see why not.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

If the ball is alive , then run baby run (like Imran Tahir)

 

[Daemon]

Imagine that. World cup final, India vs England. 9 down, 4 to win, Ashwin is at the non strikers.

Topley or some other **** thinks its time to take revenge and spins around to have a shy at the stumps, overthrows, four.

Ashwin celebrates by pointing to his forehead. Ashley Bach gives up cricket. Grecian goes “boo”. King Charles returns the Kohinoor.

 

[Chrish]

These mankad threads become instantly popular..

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Imagine that. World cup final, India vs England. 9 down, 4 to win, Ashwin is at the non strikers.

Topley or some other **** thinks its time to take revenge and spins around to have a shy at the stumps, overthrows, four.

Ashwin celebrates by pointing to his forehead. Ashley Bach gives up cricket. Grecian goes “boo”. King Charles returns the Kohinoor.

God the strategies around fake out stuff would be amazing.

 

[Days of Grace]

If the ball is alive , then run baby run (like Imran Tahir)

Is the ball “live” if it hasn’t been bowled?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Is the ball “live” if it hasn’t been bowled?

If I understand correctly, the ball is live as soon as the bowler starts running in

Begs the question, if the ball is live from that point, why can't the batsmen run a bye while the bowler is running in (risking a run out if the bowler decides to throw the stumps down during their run in). Or maybe they can

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Can't run a bye if you don't attempt to play a shot.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Oh wait that's leg byes only.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Cricket has a few rules that defy common sense, but if you can be run out at any stage that the ball is "live" it stands to reason that you should be able to steal a run at that stage as well

 

[Daemon]

If I understand correctly, the ball is live as soon as the bowler starts running in

Begs the question, if the ball is live from that point, why can't the batsmen run a bye while the bowler is running in (risking a run out if the bowler decides to throw the stumps down during their run in). Or maybe they can

I guess the bowler could just pull out of the action and it becomes a dead ball

 

[TheJediBrah]

I guess the bowler could just pull out of the action and it becomes a dead ball

It's a bowler's game

 

[honestbharani]

Down with the batriarchy

 

[Bahnz]

I don't wish to infer that Indians are the only ones who do Mankads, it's just that in reading from you and others that there is not the stigma like there is in my country, for example. And now I know why.

Ultimately, as was my first point in all this, I would like to see the ICC bring the law more into line with the situation with some who think it is contrary to how cricket should be played, and those who don't. I would point to the fact it has been done once each by a major nation in both men's and women's internationals in 30 years to suggest it is not generally 'acceptable practice', because there's certainly more batsmen who take liberties at the non-strikers. Get them behind the line somehow, I have absolutely no problem with that. Then penalise bowlers who try it and fail.

An idea I had the other day is maybe to penalise the batting team 1 run for any runs scored off any balls where they had left the crease prior to the bowler releasing the ball. So they scramble a quick single, it's worth zip, if they hit a 6, it's only worth 5 etc. The third umpire can check for it at the same time he checks for the no-ball.

 

[Spark]

Yeah I suspect something like short runs being signalled whenever the batsmen has taken excessive liberties is where this will end up. I don't see any sign that this debate is going to be resolved either way.

 

[honestbharani]

Nah... they are not gonna change the laws that easily. The debate is mostly from whingers. I think the short run is still very unfair on the bowler who has to endure a free hit in LO games for overstepping even by an inch. The no-run + free-ball, mirroring the no-ball + free-hit, seems the ideal solution to me.