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Jacques Kallis vs Allan Border

Who was the greater test batsman?

  • Jacques Kallis

    Votes: 28 50.0%

  • Allan Border

    Votes: 28 50.0%
  • Total voters
    56
h_hurricane

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
Kallis pretty clearly.

Averaged more against the best team of his era (41) than Border did against the best team of his era (39). Have said it earlier and would say it again, it is a misconception that Border was gun against WI of that era. Just 3 hundreds in 59 innings (and his only away hundred happened against a weakened opposition attack when Larry Gomes and Viv Richards shared as much bowling duty as Marshall and Garner).

Also, Kallis was pretty much part of the team that could win 2 away series against Australia when they were declining(2007 onwards). Border could achieve zilch when WI were declining, from around 1990 or so. Australia's great triumph against WI happened in 1995 after he retired.
 
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Calm_profit

State Vice-Captain
h_hurricane said:
Kallis pretty clearly.

Averaged more against the best team of his era (41) than Border did against the best team of his era (39). Have said it earlier and would say it again, it is a misconception that Border was gun against WI of that era. Just 3 hundreds in 59 innings (and his only away hundred happened against a weakened opposition attack when Larry Gomes and Viv Richards shared as much bowling duty as Marshall and Garner).

Also, Kallis was pretty much part of the team that could win 2 away series against Australia when they were declining(2007 onwards). Border could achieve zilch when WI were declining, from around 1990 or so. Australia's great triumph against WI happened in 1995 after he retired.
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1992-1993 series could have gone either way.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
h_hurricane said:
Kallis pretty clearly.

Averaged more against the best team of his era (41) than Border did against the best team of his era (39). Have said it earlier and would say it again, it is a misconception that Border was gun against WI of that era. Just 3 hundreds in 59 innings (and his only away hundred happened against a weakened opposition attack when Larry Gomes and Viv Richards shared as much bowling duty as Marshall and Garner).

Also, Kallis was pretty much part of the team that could win 2 away series against Australia when they were declining(2007 onwards). Border could achieve zilch when WI were declining, from around 1990 or so. Australia's great triumph against WI happened in 1995 after he retired.
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41 vs 39 is hardly a huge difference, especially as WI were probably better bowling attacks and other greats of the time averaged roughly the same.

Dont see how Kallis should get points as a bat for his team winning, unless he had some mega series or something.

Border clearly superior to Kallis.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
h_hurricane said:
Kallis pretty clearly.

Averaged more against the best team of his era (41) than Border did against the best team of his era (39). Have said it earlier and would say it again, it is a misconception that Border was gun against WI of that era. Just 3 hundreds in 59 innings (and his only away hundred happened against a weakened opposition attack when Larry Gomes and Viv Richards shared as much bowling duty as Marshall and Garner).

Also, Kallis was pretty much part of the team that could win 2 away series against Australia when they were declining(2007 onwards). Border could achieve zilch when WI were declining, from around 1990 or so. Australia's great triumph against WI happened in 1995 after he retired.
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Gooch was the best against WI
 
h_hurricane

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
41 vs 39 is hardly a huge difference, especially as WI were probably better bowling attacks and other greats of the time averaged roughly the same.

Dont see how Kallis should get points as a bat for his team winning, unless he had some mega series or something.

Border clearly superior to Kallis.
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It isn't a big difference. I was indicating that Kallis averaged higher than Border against their respective strongest opposition in spite of having no Border like reputation of doing good against great attacks. It is the difference between reality and perception. Both were middling (or slightly above average) against mighty opposition. It is debatable which attack was better, though the famous WI quartet of 1970s-80s happened far less often than we all think. Mostly it was '3 greats+one meh bowler' or '2 greats+2 meh bowlers' on some occasions.

Yes, Kallis didn't have a mega series in 2008/2012 but his great hundred in Brisbane 2012 and the subsequent draw played a crucial role in SA winning the series.

You mentioned Border is clearly superior, yet haven't given a reason for the same.
 
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