What is your ranking of all Country's ATG XIs?

[srbhkshk]

In a neutral territory, Pakistan win easily. In SC, its closer, since India have better spin bowlers but Pakistan are great players of spin.

The main point of difference between India and Pakistan in SC will be Sehwag, he can murder any type of bowling on these pitches and open up avenues for wins in matches which would have been draws otherwise.

 

[Gob]

Amla has no business being near an ATG team, unless its Zim or something.

Nourse is a much better bat. Faulkner probably comparable, and adds variety even if not that good a bowler... 2 spinners are enough, but 2 offspinners are likely to fail at the same time, so adding a leggie would help.

He was great for a while wasn't he. Scored a mountain of runs and won his team a series in England and barely six months later, Scored another mountain of runs and won his team a series in Australia. Not many people do that

Imo he is a better test bat than DeVilliers

 

[CricAddict]

Hmm....

India	Pakistan
Gavaskar	Hanif
Sehwag	Anwar
Dravid	Younis
Sachin	Miandad
Jadeja*	Inzi
Pant	Rizwan
Dev	Imran*
Ashwin	Wasim
Kumble	Shoaib
Bumrah	Saqlain
Shami	Waqar

Looks pretty simple to me. India have by far the better captain and more IPL experience so they win this.

I will have Kohli for Kumble. India wins in batting while Pakistan wins in bowling. Pretty equal teams.

 

[Bolo.]

He was great for a while wasn't he. Scored a mountain of runs and won his team a series in England and barely six months later, Scored another mountain of runs and won his team a series in Australia. Not many people do that

Imo he is a better test bat than DeVilliers

Ya, he was awesome in that period. I go for careers not peaks when assessing players though, and if you go for peaks Im not sure his was long enough. We all thought he was. better than ABat that stage, but AB just kept getting better and he declined.

 

[subshakerz]

The main point of difference between India and Pakistan in SC will be Sehwag, he can murder any type of bowling on these pitches and open up avenues for wins in matches which would have been draws otherwise.

Sehwag is great but he alone can't win you matches. In fact, him vs Wasim with the new ball will likely be a 50/50 contest and one I would pay to watch.

Once the ball gets to reverse though, Imran, Wasim and Waqar all bowling at 90 mph will be a nightmare and I can easily see India's late order folding quickly innings after innings.

On Pakistan's side, Anwar, Inzi, Javed, and Younis are all elite players of spin. Unless the pitch is a spinning mamba which heavily favors India, I see Pakistan winning a 5 match SC series 2-1.

 

[h_hurricane]

In a neutral territory, Pakistan win easily. In SC, its closer, since India have better spin bowlers but Pakistan are great players of spin.

India wins in Australia imo. Pakistan in Eng and NZ. WI and SA, I don't know. Not fully sure about sub continent as well.

 

[subshakerz]

India wins in Australia imo. Pakistan in Eng and NZ. WI and SA, I don't know. Not fully sure about sub continent as well.

Pakistan would win in SA and WI too as they can still support pace. Australia is a toss up since Indian bowling isnt a huge threat but Indian batting tend to do better there.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The middle order options from Kallis, G Pollock, Dudley Nourse, ABDV and Amla are good as any of the other teams' barring Australia.

Surely west indies' middle order is clearly better than that one? Headley-Lara-Viv-Sobers is arguably as good as Australia's middle order even with the Bradman cheat code. That's 4 batsmen who are generally considered top 10-ish all time.

 

[subshakerz]

Surely west indies' middle order is clearly better than that one? Headley-Lara-Viv-Sobers is arguably as good as Australia's middle order even with the Bradman cheat code. That's 4 batsmen who are generally considered top 10-ish all time.

Yeah. I think a battle between Aus and WI, assuming WI is allowed four pacers, is a close one.

 

[shortpitched713]

Yeah. I think a battle between Aus and WI, assuming WI is allowed four pacers, is a close one.

Why the **** wouldn't WI be allowed 4 pacers?

If I'm WI captain, I see your only 3 pacers rule, and raise you a "no Bradman" clause.

 

[srbhkshk]

Why the **** wouldn't WI be allowed 4 pacers?

If I'm WI captain, I see your only 3 pacers rule, and raise you a "no Bradman" clause.

I think that's because WI wouldn't want to lose any WTC points.

 

[shortpitched713]

Great teams could work around it. Certainly, you want to push the rule to the maximum extent possible, but I don't think they'll have a problem even with their historic over rate issue.

 

[subshakerz]

Why the **** wouldn't WI be allowed 4 pacers?

If I'm WI captain, I see your only 3 pacers rule, and raise you a "no Bradman" clause.

Assuming we drop Gibbs, which I am cool with unless its a turner.

 

[trundler]

Yeah. I think a battle between Aus and WI, assuming WI is allowed four pacers, is a close one.

Nah, Gibbs is a pretty ideal foil for the pacers. He's economical and can hold an end. Not to say he wasn't an attacking bowler; he was just limited by his environment and took some big hauls in the first half of his unusually long career. Why the **** is he being treated like Harbhajan or Vettori in this thread? He adds way more to any side than a 4th seamer. A pace bowler going down is a pretty common occurrence. Plus, there's an obvious benefit to having a spinner in your team in case the pitch, y'know, spins. The West Indian attack is pretty OP and well rounded with Gibbs in it.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Nah, Gibbs is a pretty ideal foil for the pacers. He's economical and can hold an end. Not to say he wasn't an attacking bowler; he was just limited by his environment and took some big hauls in the first half of his unusually long career. Why the **** is he being treated like Harbhajan or Vettori in this thread? He adds way more to any side than a 4th seamer. A pace bowler going down is a pretty common occurrence. Plus, there's an obvious benefit to having a spinner in your team in case the pitch, y'know, spins. The West Indian attack is pretty OP and well rounded with Gibbs in it.

Agreed, and I think you also get more from Sobers with the ball when using him as a 4th quick rather than as the sole spinner. So from a pragmatic standpoint I'd have Gibbs in the all time WIndian XI.

But when discussing hypothetical ATG clashes, gotta admit there's more romanticism in imagining the best batsman in history facing off against the WI pace quartet than picturing them batting against Lance Gibbs.

 

[BazBall21]

Australia
WI

South Africa
England
Pakistan

India

New Zealand
Sri Lanka

 

[BazBall21]

Maybe harsh on SA to put them a tier below WI. Not much between the two.

 

[trundler]

SA lacks a truly alpha batsman. There's Graeme Pollock but he comes with an obvious caveat. An all time XI needs at least one bloke who unquestionably radiates big dick stamp your authority energy. That's the entire West Indian middle order. Australia has Bradman and Gilchrist who exceed any other team between them.

 

[BazBall21]

SA lacks a truly alpha batsman. There's Graeme Pollock but he comes with an obvious caveat. An all time XI needs at least one bloke who unquestionably radiates big dick stamp your authority energy. That's the entire West Indian middle order. Australia has Bradman and Gilchrist who exceed any other team between them.

I did have Graeme Pollock in mind for that as the main man batting wise, but yeah understand your point. They have the option of batting very deep due to loads of ARs and have all bases covered. But yeah the 1970-1990 era works against them. Affects the CV of Richards, Pollock and Procter and potentially robbed the likes of Rice and Vincent. Their talent production through history has been amazing.

 

[Johan]

1. Austrailia
2. West Indies
3. England
4. South Africa
5. Pakistan
6. India
7. Newzealand
8. sri lanka