TheJediBrah
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Who was better?
At cricket. We all know Styris would be better with the ladies
At cricket. We all know Styris would be better with the ladies
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Chris Cairns v Jacob Oram v Scott Styris
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Bahnz
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In tests: Cairns obviously the best bowler and on balance the best overall. Oram probably the best bat, Styris a bit of an underachiever.
In ODI’s: Styris comfortably the best bat and a bloody handy 5th bowler, so would give him the nod. Cairns again the best bowler, but he underachieved badly with the bat. Oram handy with the ball, but no better than a decent number 8 with the bat.
In ODI’s: Styris comfortably the best bat and a bloody handy 5th bowler, so would give him the nod. Cairns again the best bowler, but he underachieved badly with the bat. Oram handy with the ball, but no better than a decent number 8 with the bat.
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Hard to disagree with much of that assessment. I was going to say something in defence of Oram's ODI batting, but based on his overall stats, you're clearly right. My judgement is obviously clouded by this innings, which I still vividly remember watching live on TV.
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Looking at his stats you're right that his ODI batting looks a bit short of what I expected, I recall him playing some very good knocks though, including a great ton at Perth. Like a lot of Kiwis saved his best for the Aussies.
Styris was a very, very good ODI player. His 141 in the 03 world cup came out of nowhere but he was good for a few years after that. Very tricky bowler on slow wickets, perfected the Vaas/Bracken off-cutter stock ball too.
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Haha remember that vividly as well. Especially since up until that point he was incredibly rubbished by posters on cw (was averaging 18 at the time iirc) and then he just blasted this innings out of nowhere
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I think Richard in particular refused to accept Oram and McCullum could play that well.
Styris was a gun in WCs. Hardly played between them, would always be in and out injured and with sporadic success when he did play, but come WC time he'd be in nick again. Had 3 good World Cups I believe.
Styris was a gun in WCs. Hardly played between them, would always be in and out injured and with sporadic success when he did play, but come WC time he'd be in nick again. Had 3 good World Cups I believe.
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Tests:
Batting: Styris, Oram, Cairns
Bowling: Cairns, Oram, Styris
Styris was a batsman who bowled (despite debuting at no 8 in the Windies - scored 100), while the other two were genuine allrounders.
Overall - Cairns as he was a threat with the ball. The gap in their batting was much smaller than the gap in their bowling.
Cairns took 218 wickets in 62 tests, Oram 60 wickets in 33 tests (and a large chunk would have been in his first series on some greenish pitches v India), and Styris 20 wickets @50 in 29 tests. Cairns was a quality opening bowler, Oram an economical change bowler, and Styris a 6th or 7th bowler.
ODIs:
Batting: Styris, Cairns, Oram
Bowling: Oram, Cairns, Styris
Overall - tough to say. I'd go Cairns as a big match player, but Oram was a quality bowler and powerful finisher at the death, while Styris held the batting together along with Astle and was useful with the ball. Cairns (just) although I'd probably pick Oram in my AT ODI XI.
Astle/Styris/McMillan is an interesting comparison as very similar. I'd put them in that order although McMillan probably had the most natural talent of any NZ batsman between Crowe and Ryder.
Batting: Styris, Oram, Cairns
Bowling: Cairns, Oram, Styris
Styris was a batsman who bowled (despite debuting at no 8 in the Windies - scored 100), while the other two were genuine allrounders.
Overall - Cairns as he was a threat with the ball. The gap in their batting was much smaller than the gap in their bowling.
Cairns took 218 wickets in 62 tests, Oram 60 wickets in 33 tests (and a large chunk would have been in his first series on some greenish pitches v India), and Styris 20 wickets @50 in 29 tests. Cairns was a quality opening bowler, Oram an economical change bowler, and Styris a 6th or 7th bowler.
ODIs:
Batting: Styris, Cairns, Oram
Bowling: Oram, Cairns, Styris
Overall - tough to say. I'd go Cairns as a big match player, but Oram was a quality bowler and powerful finisher at the death, while Styris held the batting together along with Astle and was useful with the ball. Cairns (just) although I'd probably pick Oram in my AT ODI XI.
Astle/Styris/McMillan is an interesting comparison as very similar. I'd put them in that order although McMillan probably had the most natural talent of any NZ batsman between Crowe and Ryder.
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thierry henry
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I’m a fan of both Oram and Styris, but treating this as a serious question in tests feels pretty insulting to Cairns
thierry henry
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But yeah, Oram was legit one of our better ODI bowlers ever which tends to get overlooked
thierry henry
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This must be about the 4th time I’ve said this today, but….Cairns’ stats in ODIs are negatively affected by the fact that he was regularly selected in ODIs when he was (a) young and crap (b) injured but able to bowl a few overs of dibbly dobblies (c) old and crap. On the flip side, his test stats are more flattering cos he at least wasn’t picked for tests when he was too injured to bowl. He certainly had the ability as an ODI player but his record reflects a lot of the chaff surrounding his prime.
Pap Finn Keighl
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Cairns way better than other 2
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Cairns was the better in both Tests as well as ODIs & Batting as well as bowling
His stats look a bit inferior in batting as he played half of his career in 90s era
I'd would Oram as good as Cairns in the bowling dept & Styris as good as Cairns in test batting
His stats look a bit inferior in batting as he played half of his career in 90s era
I'd would Oram as good as Cairns in the bowling dept & Styris as good as Cairns in test batting
Boult does, but he's not playing anymore.
Anyone who says Cairns was way better is working off highlights and reputation. Averaged 29 with bat and 32 with ball in ODIs, massive underachieving. Styris averaged more with the bat and Oram less with the ball. Both Oram and Styris averaged more than him with bat in Tests. Cairns the Test bowler is well ahead, but also brought attitude problems and injuries to the table.