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Bowling too light on firepower. Needs more Willis.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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ImpatientLime
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KP was so so bad at ODI cricket for large parts of his career.
Flintoff also only made runs in ODI cricket in the top 5 but I don't see how I get it him that high up the order with the other fire power England have. He is an absolutely elite quick tho, especially at the death so I'd squeeze him in at 7.
Roy has to play. He was superb in the 2019 world cup and England looked a decidedly less intimidating team when he missed a few games through injuries. He absolutely monstered Starc in the semi final and turned a potentially tricky chase into an absolute cake walk.
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Flintoff
Rashid
Swann
Archer
Gough
Unlucky to miss out - Plunkett, Collingwood, Trescothick, Lamb, Knight, Fairbrother, Willis.
Flintoff also only made runs in ODI cricket in the top 5 but I don't see how I get it him that high up the order with the other fire power England have. He is an absolutely elite quick tho, especially at the death so I'd squeeze him in at 7.
Roy has to play. He was superb in the 2019 world cup and England looked a decidedly less intimidating team when he missed a few games through injuries. He absolutely monstered Starc in the semi final and turned a potentially tricky chase into an absolute cake walk.
Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Flintoff
Rashid
Swann
Archer
Gough
Unlucky to miss out - Plunkett, Collingwood, Trescothick, Lamb, Knight, Fairbrother, Willis.
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Plunkett was England's best seam bowler in ODIs during their golden period of 2015-19, Rashid is arguably their best ever ODI spinner, and alongside Plunkett their highest wicket taker during said golden period. No idea why you think that is insane.
You've also excluded Roy on basis that "can't succeed in tests when it comes to the big boy stages of an ODI world cup"...yet Roy is the guy who smashed a quickfire 85 in the semis and averaged 64 in the 2019 world cup with a strike rate of comfortably 100+. Yet tresco makes your list on that criteria while losing it in WC and being completely useless in crunch games by your definition
The 2 spinners is a very good balance.
bagapath
International Captain
To face either of the two Australias
Aus 1
hayden
gilchrist +
ponting
jones
bevan
s waugh *
symonds
lee
warne
lillee
mcgrath
Aus 2
watson
finch
m waugh
s smith
g chappell *
m hussey
haddin+
m johnson
m starc
b hogg
bracken
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If smith is in an ODI ATG side he bats 3 or doesn't play, his numbers below 3 are way to poor to justify him in the team.
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Junior should open too.
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Where is warner in here actually? Feels wierd that finch was picked over him in the second XI. Played in the same era and warner has better numbers.
Flem274*
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unless it's a total motorway, putting jason roy in front of glenn mcgrath, shane bond or wasim akram is ending one way.Plunkett was England's best seam bowler in ODIs during their golden period of 2015-19, Rashid is arguably their best ever ODI spinner, and alongside Plunkett their highest wicket taker during said golden period. No idea why you think that is insane.
You've also excluded Roy on basis that "can't succeed in tests when it comes to the big boy stages of an ODI world cup"...yet Roy is the guy who smashed a quickfire 85 in the semis and averaged 64 in the 2019 world cup with a strike rate of comfortably 100+. Yet tresco makes your list on that criteria while losing it in WC and being completely useless in crunch games by your definition
but i am more than happy for england to give the rest of the world the freebies of roy, plunket etc. i did forget willis which was a whoops.
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Just bat Flintoff at 4 and move everyone else down 1 spot
Would smash any other country's ATG side tbh
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That second Aussie XI is quite imbalanced. 4 left arm bowlers and then 10 overs between Watson and M Waugh. Also, lacking hitting power at the end though there is a lot of cake. Contrary to TJB, I believe they would struggle to beat most of the ATG first sides of other countries.
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I would say they'd almost even beat that Aus 1 team at least half the time
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Definitely not.that first team is full of stars and nicely balanced too. I will go with that first team 9 out of 10.
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Also I will swap Starc and Lillee.
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I could be wrong but I don't think that is supposed to be a 1st and 2nd XI, just 2 teams split apart. There's no way Steve Waugh should be in either of the teams, let alone in the 1st team
Flem274*
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For some reason it never registered with me Lillee played ODIs despite ODIs being a thing during his career. That changes my Aus side tbh.
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Mark Waugh
Ricky Ponting (c)
Dean Jones
Michael Bevan
Michael Hussey
Shane Watson
Mitchell Starc
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath
David Warner
Matthew Hayden
Steve Smith
Michael Clarke
Steve Waugh (c)
Andrew Symonds
Brad Haddin (wk)
Mitchell Johnson
Brett Lee
Brad Hogg
Nathan Bracken
Big (relative) step down to the seconds imo, though Warner and Hayden unlucky to miss out on the firsts. Death bowling in particular is lacking for this level. Josh Hazlewood, Jason Gillespie, Ryan Harris, Shaun the meme Tait and others unlucky here tbh.
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Mark Waugh
Ricky Ponting (c)
Dean Jones
Michael Bevan
Michael Hussey
Shane Watson
Mitchell Starc
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath
David Warner
Matthew Hayden
Steve Smith
Michael Clarke
Steve Waugh (c)
Andrew Symonds
Brad Haddin (wk)
Mitchell Johnson
Brett Lee
Brad Hogg
Nathan Bracken
Big (relative) step down to the seconds imo, though Warner and Hayden unlucky to miss out on the firsts. Death bowling in particular is lacking for this level. Josh Hazlewood, Jason Gillespie, Ryan Harris, Shaun the meme Tait and others unlucky here tbh.
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Gillespie didn't play a lot of white ball cricket. He was pretty good when he did in the early 2000s though
Fuller Pilch
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Aus 1st XI
Gilchrist (wk)
Watson
Ponting
Jones
Symonds
Bevan
Hussey
Starc
Warne
Bracken
McGrath
2nd XI
M Waugh
Hayden
G Chappell
Martyn
Bailey
S Waugh
Carey (wk)
Johnson
Lee
Hogg
Lillee
3rd XI
Warner
Finch
Boon
Smith
Clarke
Border
Haddin (wk)
O'Donnell
McDermott
Fleming
P Taylor
4th XI
G Marsh
Khawaja
I Chappell
S Marsh
D Lehmann
Maxwell
Faulkner
Wade (wk)
Hazelwood
Tait
Tampa
Decent 4th XI (Wade at 8 or open with Wade and pick another bowler) Crazy depth.
Gilchrist (wk)
Watson
Ponting
Jones
Symonds
Bevan
Hussey
Starc
Warne
Bracken
McGrath
2nd XI
M Waugh
Hayden
G Chappell
Martyn
Bailey
S Waugh
Carey (wk)
Johnson
Lee
Hogg
Lillee
3rd XI
Warner
Finch
Boon
Smith
Clarke
Border
Haddin (wk)
O'Donnell
McDermott
Fleming
P Taylor
4th XI
G Marsh
Khawaja
I Chappell
S Marsh
D Lehmann
Maxwell
Faulkner
Wade (wk)
Hazelwood
Tait
Tampa
Decent 4th XI (Wade at 8 or open with Wade and pick another bowler) Crazy depth.
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