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Stumped!
- Thread starter GHick405
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cnerd123
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It's nice but in terms of real effect you'd rather have a 18/15/15 than a 20/14/14. Or possibly even a 18/15/14 over a 20/14/14. Definitely prefer a 16/16/16. Picking the right shot to play nearly every time is good but the skill to execute the shot matters a lot as well.
That's one of the issues with lopsided players. You start to hit diminishing returns at the extreme skill levels, so once you get to those levels their actual performance doesn't quite match up to what you expect from their total potential/skill.
Having said that, my current 48 pot bowling trainee is also 20/14/14 :P Aiming to get his pace up really high, so that essentially he is a high pace+acc bowler who has around 12 mov and var to support it. Would be kinda funny if I had a 48 pot batting trainee with the exact same skill distribution.
That's one of the issues with lopsided players. You start to hit diminishing returns at the extreme skill levels, so once you get to those levels their actual performance doesn't quite match up to what you expect from their total potential/skill.
Having said that, my current 48 pot bowling trainee is also 20/14/14 :P Aiming to get his pace up really high, so that essentially he is a high pace+acc bowler who has around 12 mov and var to support it. Would be kinda funny if I had a 48 pot batting trainee with the exact same skill distribution.
cnerd123
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There hasn't been a deep investigation into it, but I used Bikswing Nouding to great effect with the new ball for a long time.
I think any skill beyond 14/15 starts to have minimal gains in terms of real performance. A 14/14/14 isn't going to perform significantly worse than 15/15/15. It's why most clubs often stop training players around 2 skills short of their potential. Any additional skill gains isn't necessarily worth the resources it takes to train them up. But if you have a player who is around 10 potential in any one skill, it would probably be worth maxing that out.
In terms of moneyballing things, yea you probably don't need much variation on a new ball specialist, or much movement on a death bowler. Joshua Wong is often FHK's best bowler and he has just 7 movement (8 pot). That's just about the right level to keep him effective, given he has high accuracy, variations and pace to go with it. I've played several lower/middle order finishers that maybe have around 10 defence and high SS/attack. One of my best ever opening batters was Bahadur Gul and I don't think he ever got past 17 defence. Didn't need to.
I think any skill beyond 14/15 starts to have minimal gains in terms of real performance. A 14/14/14 isn't going to perform significantly worse than 15/15/15. It's why most clubs often stop training players around 2 skills short of their potential. Any additional skill gains isn't necessarily worth the resources it takes to train them up. But if you have a player who is around 10 potential in any one skill, it would probably be worth maxing that out.
In terms of moneyballing things, yea you probably don't need much variation on a new ball specialist, or much movement on a death bowler. Joshua Wong is often FHK's best bowler and he has just 7 movement (8 pot). That's just about the right level to keep him effective, given he has high accuracy, variations and pace to go with it. I've played several lower/middle order finishers that maybe have around 10 defence and high SS/attack. One of my best ever opening batters was Bahadur Gul and I don't think he ever got past 17 defence. Didn't need to.
cnerd123
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What a spell. 37 skill bowler, vs a 63k/58k/37k batting lineup on a 40/12/30 pitch and with no clouds but 86 heat.
He's been genuinely great for quite a while now, consistently taking wickets and putting up high BQs regardless of conditions. I'm seriously considering giving him a crack at Nat cricket and seeing how he goes. Training up his L&L and pace a bit more, if he gets to 38 skill and a 95 mph max speed he might get a T20I debut next season.
ataraxia
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#batdeep failed lol
In terms of skill distributions, I reckon stamina comes into play a lot. And the way Stumped works is generally, though something seems lopsided, it is countered by another factor. For example, bowling first is the best strategy to win most of the time, but often comes at the expense of IGT. And that this guy, if utilised correctly, is a much better bat than 33 skill would imply. But that comes at the expense of having to bat him really low in the order for a specialist bat, and a higher wage than an 11-11-11. So those are a few thoughts.
Wow, the TM's now bursting with quality youngsters, good signs. And I want all of them! I've got a lot of cash sitting about, so if I keep a close eye on it I should be able to snag one.
On the theme, here's a guy with "odd" skill distribution who, if not for Precocious and low stamina, would be an extremely valuable all-rounder. I think that Gould's late bloomer trait makes his peak ability similar to a 19-15-15, and he'll have a longer career also. If I get him I'm going to give him Dev overs, because I'm looking at a 4 bowler / 2 part-timer strategy. Wonderful bowler, crap fielder and batter. Another gun bowler, with less longevity but better secondaries. Another decent late bloomer, and a similar all-rounder. And another. Green mamba bully. A fair few good Charminster players. A seamer Ashgrove inexplicably snared for a grand. And plenty more decent players.
Now to go through and bid for them...
In terms of skill distributions, I reckon stamina comes into play a lot. And the way Stumped works is generally, though something seems lopsided, it is countered by another factor. For example, bowling first is the best strategy to win most of the time, but often comes at the expense of IGT. And that this guy, if utilised correctly, is a much better bat than 33 skill would imply. But that comes at the expense of having to bat him really low in the order for a specialist bat, and a higher wage than an 11-11-11. So those are a few thoughts.
Wow, the TM's now bursting with quality youngsters, good signs. And I want all of them! I've got a lot of cash sitting about, so if I keep a close eye on it I should be able to snag one.
On the theme, here's a guy with "odd" skill distribution who, if not for Precocious and low stamina, would be an extremely valuable all-rounder. I think that Gould's late bloomer trait makes his peak ability similar to a 19-15-15, and he'll have a longer career also. If I get him I'm going to give him Dev overs, because I'm looking at a 4 bowler / 2 part-timer strategy. Wonderful bowler, crap fielder and batter. Another gun bowler, with less longevity but better secondaries. Another decent late bloomer, and a similar all-rounder. And another. Green mamba bully. A fair few good Charminster players. A seamer Ashgrove inexplicably snared for a grand. And plenty more decent players.
Now to go through and bid for them...
ataraxia
International Coach
Interesting. I had him pegged down as someone who could remain on the fringes of the FHK setup, but I haven't being following games closely. Good to see him do well, shows how gun RFs are. It'll be a tough task training him from here, with L&L and Pace conflicting, but it should be worth it. How many current FHK players could play for Bangladesh lol? Quite a lot.
cnerd123
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At the moment Lester Shum is in the reserves as a spinner, Tony Chung in the squad as backup keeper. Nathan Law and Tin Yau are 40 skill bats, so wouldn't normally make it but are on the database anyways. And now Joshua Wong is emerging as a real contender. Andy Li will definitely play for BD in the future too, so that's around 6 players who could end their career with an international cap at some point heh.
cnerd123
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Uh-oh, the Farewell Friendly for Zack and Hashim vs Morpork not going well for ZCC atm. Zack out for 10 off 21, ZCC 42/3 in 15. Shkorer and Sajith out cheaply too, lot of work for Shahbaz and Ahsan to do. Faiz Saad doing the job with the new ball for the hosts.
Fun fact - Morpork have won 5 out of the last 7 SOD friendlies between the two clubs! They had lost 6 on the trot before this sudden turnaround.
Fun fact - Morpork have won 5 out of the last 7 SOD friendlies between the two clubs! They had lost 6 on the trot before this sudden turnaround.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
I believe this is why my rankings still has Morpork third despite a woeful CWC
61k btw aaah yiss
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Ahsan attacks the **** wide ball, gets out
If Fouche jr. can cheat out a part-time wicket now we're really in with a chance here
If Fouche jr. can cheat out a part-time wicket now we're really in with a chance here
cnerd123
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Danial Ahsan out, our goose is cooked
Disappointing performance here, but in a way it's a good thing. Our XI for the league game tomorrow will be a relatively fresher XI, and we'll be moving forward with a better combination for the CWC4 and SOD League. Bit more inexperience, but perhaps a bit better suited to recovering from situations like these.
Disappointing performance here, but in a way it's a good thing. Our XI for the league game tomorrow will be a relatively fresher XI, and we'll be moving forward with a better combination for the CWC4 and SOD League. Bit more inexperience, but perhaps a bit better suited to recovering from situations like these.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
my batting has been diabolical at closing out low chases lately so if *CC somehow get to 220 i will be gambhiring
cnerd123
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This has been some recovery. Furqan in Shah-boss mode, Heshan grinding out a useful 25 and now Arif Jalal whacking it from number 7. We were speaking of lopsided batters exceeding their skill levels, the ZCC skipper is one of them, and he seems determined to give Zack and Hashim the farewell they deserved.
173 with 8 overs to go, 220 very much on the cards. Hashim and Harry Hadden can bat a bit, but hopefully Jalal keeps this up. Shahbaz just 9 short of a ton as well.
173 with 8 overs to go, 220 very much on the cards. Hashim and Harry Hadden can bat a bit, but hopefully Jalal keeps this up. Shahbaz just 9 short of a ton as well.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Would love to hear what Shah-boss had to say about the other four top order batsmen today
cnerd123
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tbf they're probably all on the beers given it's Zack and Hashim's farewell
Solid ton by the Shah-boss, has given us something to bowl at.First ball duck for Hashim, hope he can make up for it with the ball. Zack's not scheduled to bowl today (should have given him a token over now that I think about it), so hopefully he takes a few good catches. Feels around 30-40 runs short of par tho.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Hashim picks up a second wicket as Bhatti won't repeat the massive Shah-boss ton. Slight wobble here