Greatest ODI Batsmen

[ankitj]

That's why I used number of years active rather than volume of runs in longevity adjustment. You can look at 'quality ratio' column if you are interested in number without longevity factor

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

The greatest ODI batsman was some Chinese kid who had twice the talent of Sachin and Viv combined but found it literally impossible to score any runs due to not actually knowing what cricket is.

Don't doxx me

 

[Lillian Thomson]

The only CW trait going on here is the one where one person thinks they have the only possible answer and if anyone comes up with a counter argument it's because they're too stupid to see the truth.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Sachin's stats include teenage phase, Viv debuted in the prime.
Its clear that pre 1996 WC era had batsmen, who were not trying.. Thats the reason behind sudden jump in strike rates. ( Kapil, Viv, Sachin and Abbas had a different mentality.. Thats why their strike rates seemed out of the world compared to the rest )
Had Sachin played in the 80s, He would have been a 90 SR batsmen while other openers happy with 70 SR. Its evident from the pre 1996 WC stats.
Only difference is Viv was lucky to play in the evolving era for a decade (85% runs in 80s) , Sachin got only 2 years.

 

[Bitmap]

Viv>Sachin>de Villiers>Kohli>Dhoni, the top 5 for me.

 

[Migara]

Sachin's stats include teenage phase, Viv debuted in the prime.
Its clear that pre 1996 WC era had batsmen, who were not trying.. Thats the reason behind sudden jump in strike rates. ( Kapil, Viv, Sachin and Abbas had a different mentality.. Thats why their strike rates seemed out of the world compared to the rest )
Had Sachin played in the 80s, He would have been a 90 SR batsmen while other openers happy with 70 SR. Its evident from the pre 1996 WC stats.
Only difference is Viv was lucky to play in the evolving era for a decade (85% runs in 80s) , Sachin got only 2 years.

How many more apologies you need?

 

[cnerd123]

That's why I used number of years active rather than volume of runs in longevity adjustment. You can look at 'quality ratio' column if you are interested in number without longevity factor

Number of years they've played a game in I presume? Cuz it would mess things up if you look at guys like Fawad Alam - long time between first test and 2nd.

I just go for sheer volume of games tbh. Years works but again just feels like overthinking such a simple thing.

There was this simulation someone ran a while back -I'd link to it if I knew where to find it- where the same player wound up with two very different looking career numbers over the same #of games. There are natural fluctuations that can happen over even a seemingly large sample size. If someone's played 3x the games you can then perhaps say with more confidence that their career stats are closer to the true quality of that player, and even then that's subject to so many factors out of a player's control - were they picked early/playing on past their prime due to lack of options, did they have a high % of games coincide with a lean run of form, how much cricket were they forced to play through injury, etc. When you're playing a smaller number of games, even in the same time span, it's possible to be on either the good or the bad side of these fluctuations.

Downgrading Sachin's accomplishments due to BCCI scheduling a ton of ODIs just feels like comes from an inherent dislike of JAMODIs rather than any logical basis.

Anyways, you're all wrong and that's fine. I'll learn to accept it.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Kapil Dev averaged 27 at 102 SR in 80s.
After Era adjustment ( Viv calculator ) it would be around 38 at 133 SR by 2010s standards. Right?

Only then Viv's stats ( 60+ avg 120 SR) will be clearly better than AB and Kohli.

 

[PaulLennon]

Then can we rest the argument that Murali is the best bowl;er to walk on the planet because he has twice more wickets, and pssibly more 5 and 10 wicket hauls than Marshall?

yup. Greatest test and ODI bowler of all time. Only ppl who disagree are SENA ppl who overrate randos from the 1930s when there were only two decent teams and lots of teams starting out.

 

[PaulLennon]

and again murali is the greatest not because he has all those wickets but because he has all those wickets at a great average unlike say jimmy or kapil.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Its clear that pre 1996 WC era had batsmen who were not trying..

Professional idiocy alive and well in the 21st century.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Viv's average was 1.65x better than average, his SR was 1.24x better. Giving these equal weightage he was 1.45x better than the average batter during his era. The same working for Sachin shows him to be 1.29x better than the average batter. This means that, in terms of how much better they were than their peers, Viv was around 12% better than Sachin. Sachin has 3 times as many runs and 4 times as many 100s. I do not think that 12% superiority over peers outweigh literally three times the career accomplishments. I find it surprising so many do.

wtf. Even if Viv was only 1% better it would show superiority. What is so hard to understand that Sachin played for a country, and in a time, where he played 3x as many ODIs as Viv.

Pure quantities of runs/centuries are absolutely meaningless in this comparison. If Viv's whole career only lasted 5 years then sure, but that's not the case.

 

[PaulLennon]

This won't happen if you multiplied as I said above. Wait, I already did that for hundreds of them.

ODI Batsmen Analysis

docs.google.com

Zaheer Abbas underrated.

wtf. Even if Viv was only 1% better it would show superiority. What is so hard to understand that Sachin played for a country, and in a time, where he played 3x as many ODIs as Viv.

Pure quantities of runs/centuries are absolutely meaningless in this comparison. If Viv's whole career only lasted 5 years then sure, but that's not the case.

Using that logic Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar are all better than Warne. Who decides these arbitrary 5 year marks?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Using that logic Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar are all better than Warne. Who decides these arbitrary 5 year marks?

wtf are you on about. 5 year marks?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

How many more apologies you need?

Dhawan fans logic, when questioning their comparison of Viv and Dhawan.. Viv 47 at 90, Dhawan 46 at 94.

 

[Flem274*]

the spirit of richard is reading these essays and gagging to multiqoute explain to you that the answer is neil fairbrother.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Professional idiocy alive and well in the 21st century.

So, you dont believe in " Jayasuriya revolutionized ODI opening in 1996 ".ok

 

[Lillian Thomson]

So, you dont believe in " Jayasuriya revolutionized ODI opening in 1996 ".ok

So saying the game has evolved is the same as saying batsman pre 1996 clearly weren't trying. ok

 

[TheJediBrah]

So saying the game has evolved is the same as saying batsman pre 1996 clearly weren't trying. ok

Gavaskar 36* says hi

 

[_00_deathscar]

So, you dont believe in " Jayasuriya revolutionized ODI opening in 1996 ".ok

Well, no - because Sachin did it a couple of years earlier.