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*Official* England in West Indies 2022
- Thread starter theegyptian
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SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
There's absolutely no way I see Bonnor smashing a 69-ball ton in tests lol
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
Alas that feels a long way off. He'll be relying on Kraigg, Holder or Da Silva as Blackwood has lost the plot and Brooks just isn't that good.
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
So the main talking points for Haynes and Sarwan are:
Permaul - is it too harsh to drop a guy for one bad test? Especially after taking 8 wickets in the previous match. He was comprehensively out bowled by Leach though, who IMHO is really average. If you do drop him who comes in? Rakheem? Warrican? Chase (Please Lord no)?
Blackwood - he was excellent in 2019/2020, average in 2021 and atrocious so far this year. His modes of dismissal are getting worse and worse. How long do they put up with it for?
Brooks - Why the hell did he play instead of Mayers? Surely that mistake has to be rectified in Barbados?
Gabriel - apparently he's close to fitness again. If so, he probably has to come in as we lacked pace. But who for? Seales is a gun and for once Alzarri wasn't too bad
Permaul - is it too harsh to drop a guy for one bad test? Especially after taking 8 wickets in the previous match. He was comprehensively out bowled by Leach though, who IMHO is really average. If you do drop him who comes in? Rakheem? Warrican? Chase (Please Lord no)?
Blackwood - he was excellent in 2019/2020, average in 2021 and atrocious so far this year. His modes of dismissal are getting worse and worse. How long do they put up with it for?
Brooks - Why the hell did he play instead of Mayers? Surely that mistake has to be rectified in Barbados?
Gabriel - apparently he's close to fitness again. If so, he probably has to come in as we lacked pace. But who for? Seales is a gun and for once Alzarri wasn't too bad
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Hard to discuss your views on bowling when you've got this silly bias against Leach, who has probably been the best bowler of this test.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Root is gonna ensure every half good England bowler is out with long term injuries before England finally wake up to the fact that he is a ****ing hopeless captain.
Shady Slim
International Coach
rakheem, gabriel, and mayers for permaul, alzarri, and brooks, for mine at the very least
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
I've watched a lot of Leach over the years. He bowled well here, but maintain he's pretty ordinary tbh. Hardly a silly bias if it's based on a significant body of work.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
These two sides are obviously very average, but attritional stuff (good word that) on slow wickets like here and what is currently taking place in Pakistan isn’t what Test Cricket needs. Some days have been very dull viewing even for the diehards.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
wont change unless the captain is changed.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Fair enough difference of opinion on a player.
I think he's been by far our best Test match (edit) spin bowler since Swann, in that other than on Oz pitches he gives us control, gawd knows where we would have been in this match without him. He's not super ***y but does a job.
I mean the control might not be needed if we didn't pick injured or lesser pace bowlers, but hey that's another story.
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Leach is good and the least of your problems.
Bijed
International Regular
Yeah, Leach is fine. Has his limitations and I still feel he can be relatively easy to attack at times, but on the whole he's a decent test spinner imo. The Ashes wasn't a good series to him, but over the years we've seen some otherwise very good spinners go over there and struggle, so whilst you can't just give him a pass for it, it's not a huge black mark on his record
Calm_profit
State Vice-Captain
Yeah Leach is good despite Pant smashed him for fun he had his number on Pujara.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Is there any spinner that doesn't occasionally get whacked when a bat goes t-20 mode. Thing is you can beat people in flight, bowl a good ball, and still get the ball muscled over the bounday, just has to be accepted at times. You pick up some filthy wickets that way too, so it's not all minuses, but yeah the mishit 6's wind me up a bit.
Leach has good control and consistency. Put him on turning wickets, and he'll take lots of scalps. On wickets that are flatter or more seamer-friendly, he can do a holding role. But that also relies on his batsmen and his other bowlers doing their job. England have messed him around already. Just keep playing him, Stokes and your three best quicks.