Indian Cricket Dhaba

[karan_fromthestands]

Well the "management" is as prone to random blunders as anyone. Personally I credit them for the seam attack and dislike them for continuing to expose Kuldeep in limited overs games after he was "found out". Initial success in ODIs notwithstanding, he's an old-fashioned Test match bowler at heart who needs aggressive fields and time to bowl himself in. He should've been pulled out as soon as things started going south and preserved exclusively for Tests.

I too think the same, Kuldeep looks perfect for test cricket. I don't think he'll go anywhere if he focuses on both red and white ball cricket.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

I feel like they're only dodgy when they remain conservative for too long and don't make much changes. Otherwise apart from injuries and such no one selected has been that bad.

Still better than constant chopping and changing. Too many changes create insecurity amongst players and they are playing only to keep their place in the side. This was the biggest reason why our white ball team suffered under VK-Shastri.

 

[CricAddict]

Second round of Ranji matches have started today.

Rahane`s turn to get a duck this time after Pujara in the previous match. Sarfaraz Khan again with a decent knock top-scoring with 63 in a total of 163. Get him in the Indian team already.

And in other news, the Baba twins got centuries for TN. Aparajith bowls a lot of overs too for TN and should be looked at as a prospect now. Waiting for SRK fireworks today.

Our young guns Dhull, Rasheed, Padikkal and Shaw failed while Umran Malik and Nagarkoti got a couple of wickets. And our triple centurion Karun Nair at 152* looking good to add another triple to his kitty.

Some randoms with centuries and wickets in other matches.

Those are the updates for today. Signing off, Cricaddict.

 

[ataraxia]

Sakibul Gani currently averages 439 in FC cricket.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Sakibul Gani currently averages 439 in FC cricket.

Good, now if he continues playing against mediocre opponents and complains about body line bowling we can call him the greatest batsmen ever

 

[_00_deathscar]

I too think the same, Kuldeep looks perfect for test cricket. I don't think he'll go anywhere if he focuses on both red and white ball cricket.

Pls no stop this nonsense now.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Pls no stop this nonsense now.

Care to elaborate? Obvious disclaimer, I like KD and think he's been done dirty by the "management" but what's the source of your disdain exactly as pertains to him in Tests?

 

[_00_deathscar]

Care to elaborate? Obvious disclaimer, I like KD and think he's been done dirty by the "management" but what's the source of your disdain exactly as pertains to him in Tests?

My dislike of the guy is pretty well documented. He looked okay when all was going well for him, but the minute things turned south he really fell off a cliff - down to the point of practically crying on the pitch. He's not cut out for this.

On top of which, he actually isn't that good - turns out he beat up on some weakened sides and then got taken apart by a full strength England team and never recovered.

Also, tests - WHY? We have Ashwin, Jadeja and Axar. All of whom are not only better bowlers than he is, but also have a (pretty damn useful) secondary skill. Jadeja and Axar are also good in the field.

Finally, unless someone is SERIOUSLY good we really should stop playing these bowlers if they can't both bat AND field. There's only so many batting passengers we can carry - and I get it maybe you're not very good with the bat (you can always improve - see Bumrah), but to also then not be able to field is really shitty.

 

[Shri]

also axar is one of the most unique spin bowlers to ever play test cricket

kuldeep is almost a pokemon

 

[CricAddict]

My dislike of the guy is pretty well documented. He looked okay when all was going well for him, but the minute things turned south he really fell off a cliff - down to the point of practically crying on the pitch. He's not cut out for this.

On top of which, he actually isn't that good - turns out he beat up on some weakened sides and then got taken apart by a full strength England team and never recovered.

Also, tests - WHY? We have Ashwin, Jadeja and Axar. All of whom are not only better bowlers than he is, but also have a (pretty damn useful) secondary skill. Jadeja and Axar are also good in the field.

Finally, unless someone is SERIOUSLY good we really should stop playing these bowlers if they can't both bat AND field. There's only so many batting passengers we can carry - and I get it maybe you're not very good with the bat (you can always improve - see Bumrah), but to also then not be able to field is really ****ty.

Exactly my thoughts. 100% agreed with all of this.

 

[ankitj]

Kuldeep has a fiver in Australia. Ashwin and Jadeja don't. Suck it.

 

[CricAddict]

Kuldeep has a fiver in Australia. Ashwin and Jadeja don't. Suck it.

And Agarkar has a century at Lord's while many atg batsmen don't.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Pls no stop this nonsense now.

We need an all-conditions spinner and Yadav has all attributes to become one because he is difficult to pick and spins it a mile. Axar, Ash and Jadeja are different, their role is to contribute with the bat as well. Kuldeep is competing for the slots of top-3 bowling options in the team, and if he doesn't make it purely as a frontline bowler, he should be out of the team.

If Ash retires or is unavailable, here's how our test bowling lineup can look like if Kuldeep gets it together:
Axar/Jaddu/Pandya
Shardul/Chahar
Kuldeep
Bumrah/Siraj
Shami/Prasidh

Again, it all depends on how he performs going forward. Whatever success he has had so far has been on regular pitches and not proper turners, and that makes me pretty hopeful about his test future.

 

[CricAddict]

We needed an all-conditions spinner and Yadav had all attributes to become one because he was difficult to pick and spinned it a mile. Axar, Ash and Jadeja are different, their role is to contribute with the bat as well. Kuldeep was competing for the slots of top-3 bowling options in the team, and since he doesn't make it purely as a frontline bowler, he is out of the team.

Yadav is past. You have to change `Is` to `was` in all lines of your post and then it will make sense.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Yadav is past. You have to change `Is` to `was` in all lines of your post and then it will make sense.

He's only 27 and he was dropped for no reason, I don't care if he gets picked in white ball cricket but it was stupid to see him out of the test team. I just want him to get a fair chance. Hopefully with Dravid as coach, we'll see that happen. With Bevda & Ko it was random, one moment Kuldeep is better than Ash and the next moment he is out of the team.

 

[CricAddict]

He's only 27 and he was dropped for no reason, I don't care if he gets picked in white ball cricket but it was stupid to see him out of the test team. I just want him to get a fair chance.

His case is a bit like Kambli`s. While his test average is still good, it is clear for everyone to see that his bowling has lost the bite. He has to rediscover the rip and turn that you mention and above all, most importantly, control. And then perform well in Ranji and only then should come back to the team.

 

[ankitj]

For any other team, Kuldeep could have played 50 tests. India has a problem of plenty when it comes to spin. He shouldn't be out of mind for test cricket though. Only wrist spinner vying for a spot.

 

[cnerd123]

Yea the biggest plus for Kuldeep is that he is a wrist spinner who can legitimately spin the ball both ways. Not a _terrible_ bat either, at least not as bad as our quick bowlers. Liability in the field but you can get away with that if he's bowling well and taking wickets.

But he does have a lot of competition ahead of him. In Indian conditions we don't really need a wrist-spinner, and overseas we are usually picking just 1 spin option and it's tough to justify picking Kuldeep with Ashwin/Jadeja around. Once they've retired he'll be competing with Axar, but Axar does offer more as an all-round package, so unless we uncover a seam-bowling allrounder or Kuldeep hits some incredible wicket-taking form I'd be sticking with Axar.

 

[CricAddict]

For any other team, Kuldeep could have played 50 tests. India has a problem of plenty when it comes to spin. He shouldn't be out of mind for test cricket though. Only wrist spinner vying for a spot.

Yes I agree. The cupboard is bare for India when it comes to leg-spin (actually the world. Only Rashid Khan comes to my mind). But he should not get back just because he can bowl that. Will be great if he can perform well for UP currently in Ranji.

 

[CricAddict]

Yea the biggest plus for Kuldeep is that he is a wrist spinner who can legitimately spin the ball both ways. Not a _terrible_ bat either, at least not as bad as our quick bowlers. Liability in the field but you can get away with that if he's bowling well and taking wickets.

But he does have a lot of competition ahead of him. In Indian conditions we don't really need a wrist-spinner, and overseas we are usually picking just 1 spin option and it's tough to justify picking Kuldeep with Ashwin/Jadeja around. Once they've retired he'll be competing with Axar, but Axar does offer more as an all-round package, so unless we uncover a seam-bowling allrounder or Kuldeep hits some incredible wicket-taking form I'd be sticking with Axar.

Axar definitely next after Ashwin and Jadeja in the pecking order and then we have Sundar, who is also not that great as a spinner. But not much after that. Hopefully, a budding talent comes through.