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*Official* South Africa in New Zealand 2022
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Very fun day’s play. Match set up for a fascinating finish. NZ need 3 in the first hour tomorrow or I think the game will move beyond them. The pitch is flat, and the top order tossed their wickets in the garbage can on day 2, but anything north of 250 will be a very hard chase especially with Maharaj bowling well.
Congrats to Colin, really heart warming to see such a likeable player make a 100 like that when most of us had thought he’d played his last test already. Funny to think that if the Aus tour hadn’t been canned he probably wouldn’t be available for this series. His bowling is gone though. Like Wagner, it looks like he’s lost those critical 5kph that he needs to be at his best.
Speaking of Wagner great effort from him too. Have to admit I thought he was done when first Jansen and then Dussy were biffing him around. I still think he’ll leak runs a lot more frequently bowling like this at 125kmh than when he did it at 132kmh, but he still found a way to barge the door open when the rest of the attack were looking flat as a crepe.
Congrats to Colin, really heart warming to see such a likeable player make a 100 like that when most of us had thought he’d played his last test already. Funny to think that if the Aus tour hadn’t been canned he probably wouldn’t be available for this series. His bowling is gone though. Like Wagner, it looks like he’s lost those critical 5kph that he needs to be at his best.
Speaking of Wagner great effort from him too. Have to admit I thought he was done when first Jansen and then Dussy were biffing him around. I still think he’ll leak runs a lot more frequently bowling like this at 125kmh than when he did it at 132kmh, but he still found a way to barge the door open when the rest of the attack were looking flat as a crepe.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
As an aspiring cricket coach, can someone explain the 3/4 ball and how I can best convey this to talented junior seam bowlers?
Not quite sure how to explain it in terms of grip, release point. My limited understanding is that its the force applied behind the wrist, with the aim of taking pace off the ball while enabling it to 'wobble' in the air
Not quite sure how to explain it in terms of grip, release point. My limited understanding is that its the force applied behind the wrist, with the aim of taking pace off the ball while enabling it to 'wobble' in the air
Yeah, I agree. He's done very well to take the wickets he has this series, but that 5-6km is really noticeable. I don't think he should be in the XI for England - Southee, Boult, Jamieson, Henry should be ahead of him (and CdG will play now too). I hate saying that, because he's one of my favourites, but I don't think he's suited to the Duke and England the way he's bowling.
Good point. It's also his 'alpha' status in the team, they don't want to bruise his ego by batting him at 11 when Boult, Wagner, Henry are happier to do it. But he deserves it. Probably our 2nd best bowler of all time as someone said, but the blot on his copybook is his batting. It's not so much his numbers (which are sub-par) but just the way he's gone about it. Never had any desire to play proper innings' or even adapt his approach to the situation he found himself in.
Markram dropped for Petersen, ngidi in for Sipi and nortjie for jansen .
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Tbf, Wagner’s looking consistently more likely to get wickets at the moment than KJ.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
It's not something you'd want to teach kids in my opinion. It's good to teach the kids the strong wrist position and delivering with upright seam. Once they are able to do that they can progress to wobbling it or 3 quarter ball is what it's termed. The trick is to not land the ball on the seam but land it slightly slanted on the deck. The ball generally after pitching skids with less bounce and likely seam (really depends on the way the seam hits the deck, ideal to hit some part of the seam but not upright). Best used as an in dipper although bowlers tend to say they have no idea what that does. Ideal to use it to get the ball into bringing the pads or stumps in play. Southee, Broad, Anderson and now Siraj exploit this ball real well.
There are many ways to deliver a wobble seam, no one particular way. Easiest way to achieve this is to deliver from wide of the crease (assuming right handed bowler to a right hander), wrist more towards fine leg, push the ball rather than pull the seam back like the pacers usually do thus creating wobble seam. Hope the seam hits in an angle.
The process, technique and how to go about achieving this is very well explained by Jimmy Anderson in his book Bowl. Sleep. Repeat. A must buy for aspiring fast bowlers.
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ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
all very true and the key point there is that they don't want to bruise an ego.
would be admirable if a player could dump themselves to 11, but has anyone ever heard that happening before?
but yeah not adapting to the situation is what the joke is regarding his batting, shame cause he'd be awesome at 11.
Skyliner
International 12th Man
Fleming was criticising Henry for getting out first ball, and not sticking around with CdG - but the bloke is number 11. Henry did play a fully committed shot, and he got out. Odd that Henry gets singled out and yet the bloke batting at number 9 just seems to pop up catches in an airy fairy sort of a way, just has a bit of a weak swish. You'd think at number 9 that's the bloke who could stick around with CdG, because he's supposed to be a better batsman. What Southee is missing with his batting is just a sense that he is keen to get in behind the ball and apply himself when the situation requires, and then play a full blooded shot based on the merits of the given ball bowled....but he doesn't, and he doesn't get called on it.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
van der Dussen had a nice few minutes against Wagner but I would drop him as well. Just because Bavuma averages sub-35, the rest of the middle order can't. Not going to win many test matches with those middling stats.
Chubb
International Regular
Wow McCullum questioning Conway's desire to play against South Africa.
EDIT - might have misinterpreted slightly, I think he said something along the lines of he's not playing with as much intent because it's against them (implying he was too worried about failing against them to play like he normally does). Still thought a slightly odd thing to say.
EDIT - might have misinterpreted slightly, I think he said something along the lines of he's not playing with as much intent because it's against them (implying he was too worried about failing against them to play like he normally does). Still thought a slightly odd thing to say.
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Meridio
International Regular
Yeah think you are misinterpreting what he said there, was more saying that playing against your nation of birth changes things, possibly clams you up a bit. Don't really think it's something that can be helped.
Meanwhile, looks flat as **** out there.
thierry henry
International Coach
Well, we’re cooked
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
There does not seem to be any point in bowling into the middle of the wicket here, maybe unless you're Wagner and are not subject to normal cricket logic. Henry keeping the pace in the mid 130s but there's nothing there for him short of a length, while a Southee short ball at 128km/h is just easy runs.
Meridio
International Regular
This is pretty much looking like it's a brand new ball wicket or nothing. Very gentle pace and bounce, we don't have a spinner but I can't really see it turning anyway, and there's no swing whatsoever. Think we just have to bowl dry for the next 16 overs, restrict as much as possible, and hope for something with the new ball.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
I think it's got out of our hands unfortunately. South Africa even if they bat real bad are capable of putting another 50 on the board. Chasing 300 on the 4th/5th day is going to take a monumental effort. I won't put past our guys but we have only very slight chance of winning this one unfortunately.
Skyliner
International 12th Man
This is an attack built for 'green seamer' conditions that got badly exposed at the Mount and now is showing its flaws again as this deck flattens out. Jamo has been out of form all summer and has been down on pace, Southee has been great for NZ over his career but with him and Wags also bowling in the 120's and you add CdG to that mix then it's all very military medium. Wags is a lion-hearted performer but there have been some very soft and strange dismissals off his bowling in this test; when batsmen knuckle down against him he has proven very hittable. SA might have a spinner trump card in Maharaj, and that's a route NZ have seemed to be totally reluctant to go down except on the sub-continent. We are definitely missing pace & spin options to ask batsmen a broader set of questions, and that leaves us pretty one-dimensional.