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*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II
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Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
My favourite Edge stuff from the Smackdown Six era was his tag team with Rey I think. Also I really love that Hardy match.
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
6. Brock Lesnar vs John Cena, Extreme Rules 2012
This was Brock's big return match after he'd walked out on WWE and become UFC heavyweight champion in the interim and the atmosphere for this match is something else. Brock carries himself as an invading force, an outsider not bound by the usual rules of WWE and the match has a reckless, out of control feel that WWE matches often aspire to but rarely create. Almost straight away Brock cuts open Cena with a flurry of near-shoot force elbows to the head. Bless Cena, if I was the company's biggest star and they came to me with a proposed match layout of 'We want the freakishly strong cage-fighting champion to shoot elbow you in the head' I'm pretty sure I'd have said 'Actually I'd prefer not to be elbowed in the head by the cage fighter.' Cena is great at selling a huge beating and Brock delivers one for the ages. I remember a lot of complaints at the time about the booking of Cena winning, but the match itself (including the finish) is a classic.
5. Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart, Wrestlemania 8
This is a face vs face match with a bit of spice to it. The pre match interviews set the story up perfectly: Piper talks patronisingly about knowing Bret as a cute little kid and Bret doesn't take kindly to it. In WWE Piper had been a heel for most of his run, and as the young upstart seems to be getting the better of him in the match, his penchant for the dark side starts to resurface. A great storytelling match with Heenan on atg form on commentary as a bonus.
This was Brock's big return match after he'd walked out on WWE and become UFC heavyweight champion in the interim and the atmosphere for this match is something else. Brock carries himself as an invading force, an outsider not bound by the usual rules of WWE and the match has a reckless, out of control feel that WWE matches often aspire to but rarely create. Almost straight away Brock cuts open Cena with a flurry of near-shoot force elbows to the head. Bless Cena, if I was the company's biggest star and they came to me with a proposed match layout of 'We want the freakishly strong cage-fighting champion to shoot elbow you in the head' I'm pretty sure I'd have said 'Actually I'd prefer not to be elbowed in the head by the cage fighter.' Cena is great at selling a huge beating and Brock delivers one for the ages. I remember a lot of complaints at the time about the booking of Cena winning, but the match itself (including the finish) is a classic.
5. Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart, Wrestlemania 8
This is a face vs face match with a bit of spice to it. The pre match interviews set the story up perfectly: Piper talks patronisingly about knowing Bret as a cute little kid and Bret doesn't take kindly to it. In WWE Piper had been a heel for most of his run, and as the young upstart seems to be getting the better of him in the match, his penchant for the dark side starts to resurface. A great storytelling match with Heenan on atg form on commentary as a bonus.
20. Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels, Survivor Series 1997
19. The Rock vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, Wrestlemania 17
18. 123 Kid & Razor Ramon vs HBK & Diesel, Action Zone
17. Brock Lesnar vs Eddie Guerrero, No Way Out '04
16. The Revival vs DIY, NXT Takeover: Toronto
15. HBK vs The Undertaker, Bad Blood '97
14. Daniel Bryan vs Kofi Kingston, Wrestlemania 35
13. Bayley vs Sasha Banks, NXT Takeover: Respect
12. HBK vs The Undertaker, Wrestlemania 25
11. Eddie Guerrero vs JBL, Judgement Day '04
10. Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio, Smackdown!
9. Sgt Slaughter vs The Iron Sheikh, Boot Camp
8. Edge vs Matt Hardy, Unforgiven'05
7. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Kurt Angle, Summerslam '01
6. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar, Extreme Rules '12
5. Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart, Wrestlemania 8
19. The Rock vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, Wrestlemania 17
18. 123 Kid & Razor Ramon vs HBK & Diesel, Action Zone
17. Brock Lesnar vs Eddie Guerrero, No Way Out '04
16. The Revival vs DIY, NXT Takeover: Toronto
15. HBK vs The Undertaker, Bad Blood '97
14. Daniel Bryan vs Kofi Kingston, Wrestlemania 35
13. Bayley vs Sasha Banks, NXT Takeover: Respect
12. HBK vs The Undertaker, Wrestlemania 25
11. Eddie Guerrero vs JBL, Judgement Day '04
10. Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio, Smackdown!
9. Sgt Slaughter vs The Iron Sheikh, Boot Camp
8. Edge vs Matt Hardy, Unforgiven'05
7. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Kurt Angle, Summerslam '01
6. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar, Extreme Rules '12
5. Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart, Wrestlemania 8
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
4. Shawn Michaels vs Mankind, Mind Games 1996
Another match with a unique feel as Foley gives the performance of his life as the deranged Mankind. This is the perfect mixture of brawling, wild spots and character work. Mankind is an interesting 'monster' character as he isn't huge but can absorb stupid amounts of punishment so doesn't dominate the match the way e.g. Taker would but never stops being a threat. He also nails the psychotic, unpredictable side of his character as every couple of minutes he seems to do something you wouldn't expect, whether it's taking a particularly nasty bump into the steel steps that few others would be prepared to take, or launching himself at Michaels in a way that hurts himself so long as it hurts his opponent too, or even stabbing himself violently in the knee that Michaels has been working over. It's easily one of the best performances in company history. Though I've not talked about him much, Michaels is reliably good too, showing a much more violent streak than usual in trying to stop the lunatic challenger. The only downer is the finish which is a lame run in (and a mistimed run in at that). There's a fun post match brawl at least.
4. The Shield vs The Wyatt Family, Elimination Chamber 2014
If the Mind Games match was booked as a relatively throw away affair without a proper finish, made great by the performers, this is one where the booking and story really augment the in ring action to create something special. The Shield had been pushed famously hard right from their debut, with a long winning streak in trios matches beating a number of 'super teams' of established stars through a consistent strategy of divide and conquer. More recently cult leader Bray Wyatt and his 'family' had emerged as another dominant faction and here they look to utilise the Shield's own strategy against them of causing chaos and picking off isolated opponents. This had non-stop action, a red hot crowd, layered storytelling and strong performances, especially from the late, great Luke Harper as Bray's right hand man who is superb and carries most of the work for his side.
Another match with a unique feel as Foley gives the performance of his life as the deranged Mankind. This is the perfect mixture of brawling, wild spots and character work. Mankind is an interesting 'monster' character as he isn't huge but can absorb stupid amounts of punishment so doesn't dominate the match the way e.g. Taker would but never stops being a threat. He also nails the psychotic, unpredictable side of his character as every couple of minutes he seems to do something you wouldn't expect, whether it's taking a particularly nasty bump into the steel steps that few others would be prepared to take, or launching himself at Michaels in a way that hurts himself so long as it hurts his opponent too, or even stabbing himself violently in the knee that Michaels has been working over. It's easily one of the best performances in company history. Though I've not talked about him much, Michaels is reliably good too, showing a much more violent streak than usual in trying to stop the lunatic challenger. The only downer is the finish which is a lame run in (and a mistimed run in at that). There's a fun post match brawl at least.
4. The Shield vs The Wyatt Family, Elimination Chamber 2014
If the Mind Games match was booked as a relatively throw away affair without a proper finish, made great by the performers, this is one where the booking and story really augment the in ring action to create something special. The Shield had been pushed famously hard right from their debut, with a long winning streak in trios matches beating a number of 'super teams' of established stars through a consistent strategy of divide and conquer. More recently cult leader Bray Wyatt and his 'family' had emerged as another dominant faction and here they look to utilise the Shield's own strategy against them of causing chaos and picking off isolated opponents. This had non-stop action, a red hot crowd, layered storytelling and strong performances, especially from the late, great Luke Harper as Bray's right hand man who is superb and carries most of the work for his side.
20. Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels, Survivor Series 1997
19. The Rock vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, Wrestlemania 17
18. 123 Kid & Razor Ramon vs HBK & Diesel, Action Zone
17. Brock Lesnar vs Eddie Guerrero, No Way Out '04
16. The Revival vs DIY, NXT Takeover: Toronto
15. HBK vs The Undertaker, Bad Blood '97
14. Daniel Bryan vs Kofi Kingston, Wrestlemania 35
13. Bayley vs Sasha Banks, NXT Takeover: Respect
12. HBK vs The Undertaker, Wrestlemania 25
11. Eddie Guerrero vs JBL, Judgement Day '04
10. Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio, Smackdown!
9. Sgt Slaughter vs The Iron Sheikh, Boot Camp
8. Edge vs Matt Hardy, Unforgiven'05
7. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Kurt Angle, Summerslam '01
6. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar, Extreme Rules 2012
5. Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart, Wrestlemania 8
4. Shawn Michaels vs Mankind, Mind Games 1996
3. The Shield vs The Wyatt Family, Elimination Chamber 2014
19. The Rock vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, Wrestlemania 17
18. 123 Kid & Razor Ramon vs HBK & Diesel, Action Zone
17. Brock Lesnar vs Eddie Guerrero, No Way Out '04
16. The Revival vs DIY, NXT Takeover: Toronto
15. HBK vs The Undertaker, Bad Blood '97
14. Daniel Bryan vs Kofi Kingston, Wrestlemania 35
13. Bayley vs Sasha Banks, NXT Takeover: Respect
12. HBK vs The Undertaker, Wrestlemania 25
11. Eddie Guerrero vs JBL, Judgement Day '04
10. Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio, Smackdown!
9. Sgt Slaughter vs The Iron Sheikh, Boot Camp
8. Edge vs Matt Hardy, Unforgiven'05
7. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Kurt Angle, Summerslam '01
6. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar, Extreme Rules 2012
5. Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart, Wrestlemania 8
4. Shawn Michaels vs Mankind, Mind Games 1996
3. The Shield vs The Wyatt Family, Elimination Chamber 2014
GotSpin
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah thats a good video. Guessing it happens all the time though?
Aritro
International Regular
Yeah I always try catching them calling spots when they're in a submission hold but never seem to see it. Probably will now though.
Actually, this might ruin it for me.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Yeah this happens all the time, it's just that when watching on TV most of it'll be hidden by clever editing/camera angles etc. Good workers are usually able to communicate discreetly as well.
John Cena a terrible offender for absolutely bellowing out his spot calling though. Love him but he is one of the absolute worst for this.
John Cena a terrible offender for absolutely bellowing out his spot calling though. Love him but he is one of the absolute worst for this.
Heboric
International Debutant
Botchamania channel has a whole section in their videos called "You talk to much" that deals with something similar
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I think the improved cameras and sound on those also made it tougher for the guys since the Attitude era. 
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
I've not got a list as I've not watched full shows for years, but some I remember being good are:
-Royal Rumble '00
-Wrestlemania 17
-No Mercy 02
-Wrestlemania 19
-Royal Rumble '07
-Money in the Bank 2011
-Extreme Rules 2012
-Summerslam 2013
Pretty much all the NXT Takeovers from late 2014 to early 2018 were good.