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cnerd123

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Ffs Tony Chung. Kept taking singles first ball of the over, tailenders don't hold out, we lose by just 1 run. 0-3 in the T20, looks like we're going back down.

Probably the end of Pong Nam's T20 career I reckon. We need more batting depth and his BQ has been dropping of late. Ivan Lam in poor form too tho but at least he can bat, field and bowls with good heat.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
Lost both of my T20s, but salvaged both bonus points. AX-W were up against a side with Brajesh Sree and Ralph Tigwell (@StephenZA). Sree was out first ball of the match, but captained his side to a win. Tigwell hit 62* (37) from #8 and took 4 dismissals.

Disappointing loss for AXI after restricting the opponents to 137. Good signs for Darnell though.
 

Jarquis

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Is pace training incremental? I.e. will bowlers slowly increase until they tick over into the next category?
 

Jarquis

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Thanks.

does it slow down with age like normal training? When do you guys prioritise training it ahead of skills?
 

ataraxia

International Coach
Pace is constantly decreasing (at an initially glacial rate) except when trained.

Age doesn't factor into how much it increases IIRC.

When do you guys prioritise training it ahead of skills?
Depends on a lot of factors. On a green mamba of a home pitch, you might as well not train pace at all; but on a dry pitch, even guys with low skills should probably be trained it a bit.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
21 pops for AX-W.

Managed to restrict the Thrashings to 160-7 in a T20. Very low chance I can chase that down, but still an impressive (and lucky!) bowling performance.
 

StephenZA

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Seriously though I’m trying to save as much money as I reasonably can, to afford some of the top youth buys. But it does feel like a long haul with the top teams seeming to have abundance of monies. Hoping this is not a win more game with established teams always dominating competing amongst themselves only.
 

cnerd123

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Yea ZCC are setting up to announce some significant shakeups after this Sunday's cup game. We might be letting go of a few players, reducing our ground capacity, trying to cut costs so we can build up our savings.

FHK are sitting on nearly 6 mill. Not sure what to do with this wealth. Probably invest a bit more into our coaches I suppose.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
I'm feeling pretty confident with where my team's at. A few holes though, and I feel like all my savings could be spent on a couple of players.
 

Charlie B

U19 Vice-Captain
Seriously though I’m trying to save as much money as I reasonably can, to afford some of the top youth buys. But it does feel like a long haul with the top teams seeming to have abundance of monies. Hoping this is not a win more game with established teams always dominating competing amongst themselves only.
You might hope that Stephen but .......

I took a little look at the 242 teams that existed on the 25 January. At that point Stumped as far as I can gather based on the earliest member joining date was 8.4 years old.

In the Top 50 only 4 teams had managers who have joined the game less that 3 years ago. The remaining average length membership of the other 46 was 6.7 years !! Those are the numbers = whether that is a good or bad thing and why and how and when and where and what that means is the basis for pies and pints in the pub (Pie and a pint....rings a bell!) and a lot of subjective discussion and of course where you sit in the pyramid and what your goals are.

All I can tell you is that based on this snapshot there is only an 8% chance your team will make it to the Top 50 until you have played the game for more than 3 years.

Keeeeep dancing !
 

StephenZA

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I’m not worried about if it takes me three years or not... I’m worried that in three years in will have extended to six years. Is it the people at the top stay at the top etc? Obviously need a bit of luck youth pulls etc. but this is a financial game in the end and I hope it’s not a win more.
 

cnerd123

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There was a big change in Stumped recently where several country leagues were combined into the 4 we have now, so a lot of former Div 1 teams (like ZCC) have slid down into Div 2. This is partly why so many older clubs have big bank balances, they were hoarding it back when the game was less competitive and you could rake in the Div 1 money without really needing a 65K+ rating team. ZCC were pretty weak for a side that was once ranked #1 in the game, and I spent a lot of our savings on 19 skill coaches, multiple groundstaff and a 20k seater stadium we could never fill. Regret that now, wish I had hoarded up cash too in anticipation for the drop down into Div 2.

However, FHK's savings shows that it's not that hard to build a big bank balance if you commit to it. The best strategy for a new side might be to just invest in a home-grown style approach for your first generation of players, and once you've saved up 5 mill+ make a few smart purchases to strengthen your side and sustain yourself in Div 2.

Cracking Div 1 from there is a whole other story tho. I'll get back to you when I figure that out :ph34r: ZCC have the squad to do it, and made it back up to T20 Div 1 last season, but mainly because I spent a lot of those early savings on some great talent. We're broke now and the next gen isn't as talented, so it's time to knuckle down, consolidate and hope we can build some financial stability before attempting another crack at Div 1.
 

cnerd123

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Check out the decline in ZCC's end of week bank balance over the years:

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The club hasn't ever been this financially insecure! Will be happy to get back up to the 4 mill mark again lol.
 

Charlie B

U19 Vice-Captain
I’m not worried about if it takes me three years or not... I’m worried that in three years in will have extended to six years. Is it the people at the top stay at the top etc? Obviously need a bit of luck youth pulls etc. but this is a financial game in the end and I hope it’s not a win more.
Good points Stephen. Well going back to my 25 Jan review I can tell you this which may be relevant to your concerns.

There were 242 teams - 195 were a main team and 47 affiliates. I will strip out the 47 affiliates from the demographic below (as a manager with 8 years experience can have a 1 day old affiliate potentially)

A lot of people on the forum say that the game does not attract 'new blood' but if last year is representative that is not the case. The issue seems less attracting new blood but retaining it.

At the other end of the top heavy demographic pyramid there is an incredibly high retention rate - why would that be ?

I guess some potential reasons are: those managers have invested a lot of time at getting good at it (strategy wise);

By being here a long time they have built up large monetary reserves and like 'life' if you have more money you can do more things, have more fun and be 'good' therefore at the game- (one potential related issue though -back to you Stephen- is that you always retain the funds to continue the circle of acquiring the best youth, hence best division, best attendances/prize money/ sponsorship- making it the case that the glass ceiling might be higher than is beneficial for the game to thrive as a whole ( re: 92% Top 50 = 3 years or more years in the game - average time 6.7 years)

They enjoy the 'mode' of the game that has built up in that time - the banter/the official forum etc.;

At the top you also get a lot more bang for your buck (or £20!) If you look at the 23 teams involved in the NAT management set up the average manager age is getting onto 6 and a half years . It makes sense of course because you need some level of skill before you can consider national management . Might it though reflect the voting block of older teams who can pass around the jobs, secure of a large percentage of those who are entitled to vote and (actually even more so), understand how it works (there does not seem to be a great job done of educating new managers on the NAT set up or specifically the elections - this time for example it was rushed through at the last moment with a yellow sticky that did little to explain what is going on for newcomers). I wonder how many votes were actually cast and the average age of management time of those casting them?

Per Jan 25 Number of teams (by manager join date. [exc. affiliates])
0-1 54
1-2 33
2-3 16
3-4 8
4-5 15
5-6 12
6-7 7
7-8 17
8 - 8 1/2 33 !

You cannot say that last year is representative of all the previous 8 years but clearly you get a big burn after 1 year. Not surprising, I mean we all see teams that join and never touch their team again until they go bot. But then by and large after the 'burn' in years 0-2 things stay constant ... except at the top. We do not know how many teams originally joined in the first year but it seems about 41 teams remain from the first year of stumped 8.5 years later - quite amazing if you look at the retain figures y-o-y between 2 to 7 years.

Not to say it is a bad thing - from one side of the coin you wish people to stay , people to be good at the game, and enjoy what they do. and surprise surprise if people like something, and are good at it and become part of the machine they tend to stay more than those who don't like, aren't good and are transitory to the game.

If Stumped did want more managers and to fill those BOT spaces (which *****'s brilliant amalagamation post discusses) with real teams then I think the two things to focus on are 'create footfall' - more teams coming in. then two nurture the green shoots - you would want to help and assist those 54 teams and try and identify by keeping tabs on them what they are enjoying , what not - not only so you can increase retention rate in the short term but also in the medium term identify recurring issues that led teams to leave (rather than it being mere supposition) and go about correcting them.

Keeping 25 teams a year would slowly melt away the % impact of having 50 teams of over 7 years experience balanced on top
 

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