Averaging 35 will be accepted again

[Spark]

I don't have footage of Asif bowling it on hand tbh, but I know that Saker and Anderson cited him as one of the people who led them to work on it in 2010.

 

[Starfighter]

I don't have footage of Asif bowling it on hand tbh, but I know that Saker and Anderson cited him as one of the people who led them to work on it in 2010.

Normal modern narrow-fingered grip. I might add it doesn't seem to vary between deliveries either.



Mohammad Abbas is the same (and remember when he didn't move the ball of the straight at Adelaide, a pitch where the ball didn't bite into the surface?)

In comparison here's how Richard Hadlee says to grip the ball - Dennis Lillee was the same.



Almost every older text I've come across shows the grip for swing bowling as having the fingers apart. Anderson, on the other hand, has a very narrow grip for both the inswinger and the outswinger.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

he’s really not though lol

The Compton-Miller medal in his trophy cabinet says otherwise

 

[Shady Slim]

The Compton-Miller medal in his trophy cabinet says otherwise

should've gone to starceh tbh, and i was calling for starc to be dropped heading into the series as much as i was trav

 

[GoodAreasShane]

should've gone to starceh tbh, and i was calling for starc to be dropped heading into the series as much as i was trav

Anyone who suscribes to the Shane Warne viewpoint on Starc really is a weapons grade numbskull. No single cricketer in all of Australia gets such a disproportionate level of critisism relative to performance, mostly from idiot casuals who neither know nor care about what alternatives are available at the domestic level

Honestly, between this and your advocation for Hameed despite his abject failure to perform, it honestly seems like the rationale for rating or not rating players doesn't extend beyond purely emotion driven "I just like/don't like them" type garbage

 

[Spark]

Anderson, on the other hand, has a very narrow grip for both the inswinger and the outswinger.

Yeah this is probably where I heard it from - he needed to adjust his grip to get control over the slightly tilted seam. Then Broad copied him, then the Australians copied them starting in about 2015, which is why you now hear them all talking about the wobble seamer.

 

[Shady Slim]

Anyone who suscribes to the Shane Warne viewpoint on Starc really is a weapons grade numbskull. No single cricketer in all of Australia gets such a disproportionate level of critisism relative to performance, mostly from idiot casuals who neither know nor care about what alternatives are available at the domestic level

Honestly, between this and your advocation for Hameed despite his abject failure to perform, it honestly seems like the rationale for rating or not rating players doesn't extend beyond purely emotion driven "I just like/don't like them" type garbage

if this were true, then i wouldn't have conceded that starc proved me wrong in the ashes and deserved the compton miller

 

[Spark]

if this were true, then i wouldn't have conceded that starc proved me wrong in the ashes and deserved the compton miller

Head deserved it more IMO. Starc faded as the series went on.

 

[Shady Slim]

Head deserved it more IMO. Starc faded as the series went on.

series was already substantively done by the time starc faded though - if we are counting all five tests equally then you can't go past boland imho

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

it honestly seems like the rationale for rating or not rating players doesn't extend beyond purely emotion driven "I just like/don't like them" type garbage

This is the best rating system actually.

 

[TheJediBrah]

it honestly seems like the rationale for rating or not rating players doesn't extend beyond purely emotion driven "I just like/don't like them" type garbage

as if there are other options

 

[Spark]

series was already substantively done by the time starc faded though - if we are counting all five tests equally then you can't go past boland imho

Boland only played three games. Head being good isn't, like, a crime against cricket, there was nothing at all wrong with him getting the gong.

 

[Daemon]

Too much focus on the wobble seam here, though I will say it’s been very clear while watching that seamers of late have been intentionally bowling it more. Pitches being so friendly probably exaggerate the effects though.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Head being good isn't, like, a crime against cricket

it's a crime against humanity

 

[Xix2565]

it's a crime against humanity

I like Travis Head though.

 

[Shady Slim]

Boland only played three games. Head being good isn't, like, a crime against cricket, there was nothing at all wrong with him getting the gong.

curiously head only got big big runs in two and did okay in a third so

 

[GoodAreasShane]

curiously head only got big big runs in two and did okay in a third so

Yeah, two tests is practically nothing. Totally meaningless contribution. Will be forgotten in a week

 

[Shady Slim]

Yeah, two tests is practically nothing. Totally meaningless contribution. Will be forgotten in a week

of course, it's not as if my post was referencing how many tests he made a big boy contribution in vs how many boland made a big boy contribution in or any thing eh

 

[GoodAreasShane]

No, this is about you desperately clutching at straws and trying to downplay and devalue Head's contribution at every oppurtunity you get

 

[TheJediBrah]

Hold on a minute, Shady has a point

Boland: Played 3 Tests, 3 excellent contributions
Head: Played 4 Tests, 2 excellent contributions

the math favours Boland, and this is coming from me, a long-term Travis Head fanboy