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***Official*** Bangladesh in NZ 2021-22

Flem274*

Flem274*

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Teja. said:
FWIW, I’d definitely take Wagner over Bond. Not sure about the others.
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Wagner's role is so unique I kinda agree. I think the pace quintet meme will hit road bumps once Wagner retires because his fitness gives you overs equivalent to the spinner role.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Geez, we're enjoying this game aren't we...pages worth of NZ XIs.

I came in to bang my drum about the non review - I honestly feel like teams are getting it wrong. You've got to back yourself to pick which ones are close enough to be clipping and keeping your review, and even if you miss out on one, you still have two left in the can. How many teams use all three unsuccessful reviews in the 'review retained' era? I would imagine very few.

I'm sure it's been covered how ridiculous it is that Wagner himself might've had the main influence to not review it (I didn't see the ball, going off cricinfo's commentary)
 
Teja.

Teja.

Global Moderator
Flem274* said:
Wagner's role is so unique I kinda agree. I think the pace quintet meme will hit road bumps once Wagner retires because his fitness gives you overs equivalent to the spinner role.
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I also think he adds more value at the other end than any other bowler I’ve seen.

So many top order bats are so deeply uncomfortable with trying to score of his bowling that they’re prone to over extend and do something ridiculous at the other end.

It’s also insanely difficult for batsmen to go on a roll and get away with the game when he is bowling on one end because he completely eliminates a lot of the ‘comfort’ risk/reward boundary shots that top order batsmen play to accelerate after getting settled in the crease and forces them to revaluate their scoring options entirely specifically for him.

I think his excellent stats understate just how good he is. If he had debuted earlier and played 70-80 tests at this level of performance, I’d consider him an ATG bowler even if he ‘only’ averaged 26 or w/e.

He’s a revolutionary cricketer. One of my all time favourites.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
OverratedSanity said:
Give us a test here nz you cowards. We gave you one at kanpur to give you the impression you were competitive.
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Kanpur?? That attritional dungheap?

Would rather Mumbai tbh, even with the collapsing. I felt depressed just looking at the Kanpur pitch.

Also you guys probably will get a run here if you tour during the holidays. Mt Maunganui is a holiday town.
 
NZTailender

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Bangladesh's day, well done. If they pile it on tomorrow NZ are in big trouble. I think the Kiwi batsmen will be really rueing what would've been a chance to get 500+ on a fairly innocuous pitch.
 
jcas0167

jcas0167

International Debutant
Teja. said:
Fleming has the lowest amount of centuries for a specialist batsman who played as many tests. The lowest by a distance iirc and you’d have to lower the bar to 90 tests and Ranatunga to find someone with a lower rate of making centuries and Arjuna batted lower down the order.

Given he obviously played innings of great flair in both moving and spinning conditions, he seriously underachieved, didn’t he?
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Yeah, Crowe thought he should have averaged at least 5 runs more than he did.They just mentioned him on radio in a group of NZ players dismissed in the 90's four times. I remember it took about 3 years before he got the first ton then he was made skipper at the end of that series when he was 23. I think that may have hindered his batting to some extent. He had a purple patch after playing a season of county cricket in 2001 but his overall stats probably don't reflect his early promise.
 
Mike5181

Mike5181

International Captain
Flem274* said:
We've had this debate before, but I think you'd be insane to select Southee or Boult in an either or situation over Bond, especially Boult right now.

When push comes to shove selectors run to the obviously better player every time and justify it later. Tom Blundell and Will Young had not done much if anything wrong to lose their first choice opener/reserve batsman spots respectively, but Devon Conway parachuted in for Lords because he's in a different batting level to those guys.

Jamieson is another guy who is probably obviously in NZs top 5-10 bowling talents ever produced, and since his selection has almost always looked a level above Southee, Boult and Wagner. He's a lot closer to my best 11 than most would have him. I'm definitely not tapping into the well of respectable professional bowlers ahead of him.

If anything NZs 2021 results probably justify their ruthless selection of the best 11 players no matter what.
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I don't really give a **** what statistics say. Since I've been watching cricket (2001 or so) Shane Bond has been the best bowler comfortably for NZ. Jamieson second (that may change), Wagner third.
 
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Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
jcas0167 said:
Yeah, Crowe thought he should have averaged at least 5 runs more than he did.They just mentioned him on radio in a group of NZ players dismissed in the 90's four times. I remember it took about 3 years before he got the first ton then he was made skipper at the end of that series when he was 23. I think that may have hindered his batting to some extent. He had a purple patch after playing a season of county cricket in 2001 but his overall stats probably don't reflect his early promise.
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He, Fleming, would get bored in the 80s, he didn't seem to understand the concept of just keeping going at a constant batting rate and grinding the opposition into the dust. He wanted to accelerate his innings into the stratosphere once he started to see the ball big.
I saw him once score such an 80 vs Bangers about 2008 (roughly 2008) some absolutely rank left arm spinner who looked like the team coach rather than an athlete was bowling and Fleming after doing the hard work tried to hit the bowler into next week. He skied it instead and got dropped with a dolly (Bangers couldn't field back then) then skied another one next over having a gigantic hey hoi more becoming of a school boy and that catch stuck.
His 80 was the high score and only Dan put on any other runs that day. The other batsman were out matched and couldn't handle the speed of the Banger attack which boasted Shahadat Hossain and Mushrafe etc...Sinclair in particular didn't look up to test level that day.
Then Bangers batted and our quicks ran through them like a knife through hot butter.
 
jcas0167

jcas0167

International Debutant
Hurricane2 said:
He, Fleming, would get bored in the 80s, he didn't seem to understand the concept of just keeping going at a constant batting rate and grinding the opposition into the dust. He wanted to accelerate his innings into the stratosphere once he started to see the ball big.
I saw him once score such an 80 vs Bangers about 2008 (roughly 2008) some absolutely rank left arm spinner who looked like the team coach rather than an athlete was bowling and Fleming after doing the hard work tried to hit the bowler into next week. He skied it instead and got dropped with a dolly (Bangers couldn't field back then) then skied another one next over having a gigantic hey hoi more becoming of a school boy and that catch stuck.
His 80 was the high score and only Dan put on any other runs that day. The other batsman were out matched and couldn't handle the speed of the Banger attack which boasted Shahadat Hossain and Mushrafe etc...Sinclair in particular didn't look up to test level that day.
Then Bangers batted and our quicks ran through them like a knife through hot butter.
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Yeah, I remember that Sinclair innings was alarming. He had tons against South Africa, the Windies and Pakistan but looked like he was really struggling. Was a walking wicket later that season against Sidebottom and co.
 
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Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
jcas0167 said:
Yeah, I remember that Sinclair innings was alarming. He had tons against South Africa, the Windies and Pakistan but looked like he was really struggling. Was a walking wicket later that season against Sidebottom and co.
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Yeah good post.
Do you remember Jcas that one Sidebottom spell where he ripped us apart and it was like we had never faced left arm swing before. I remember thinking what is going on here, it is just swing bowling. He looked like the second coming of Spofforth in that match.
 
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