3rd Test at Melbourne - December 26 - 30

[social]

This feels like England of the mid 90s

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Highest England averages for the last 5 years (minimum 200 runs)

Root 48, Cook 38, Stokes 38, Buttler 33, Foakes 32, Burns 31, Vince 31, Malan 30, Pope 30, Denly 30, Sibley 29, Crawley 28, Stoneman 28, Bairstow 28, Lawrence 27

Then the rest are allrounders and bowlers (plus Keaton Jennings)

The selectors have tried different options

 

[Gnske]

You rounded Pope's average up. Don't lie

 

[ImpatientLime]

it is funny watching absolute bores like 'the cricket badger' blame the less than year old hundred for England's current predicament and suggest changes to the structure to be closer to that of the 90s. the 90s when England were such a force to be reckoned with in test match cricket.

England's batting issues pre date the 2015 switch to focus on white ball cricket so nah I'm not sure I agree that it's the root cause of their issues.

prank pitches and prank balls a bigger issue.

 

[vicleggie]

The good folks on 5 Live are repeatedly describing England's performance today as 'disappointing'. One can only presume that they have somehow missed the last two tests, , indeed, the last two Ashes series in Australia. 50 ao would have been disappointing. 185 is surely what any sane person would have predicted from this shower. Probably above par in conditions where the opposing captain saw fit to insert them.

Why do England play so bad in Australia?

They play better literally everywhere else

 

[Spark]

This feels like England of the mid 90s

It's nuts because there's clearly oodles of cricketing talent in the English system, just in terms of raw hand-eye coordination with the bat, or they wouldn't be producing so many quality LO batsmen, and there's certainly no shortage of resources. Just a totally bankrupt system in terms of producing Test batsmen

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Why do England play so bad in Australia?

They play better literally everywhere else

Bcos Australia are ruthless and pound most visiting teams.

 

[social]

It's nuts because there's clearly oodles of cricketing talent in the English system, just in terms of raw hand-eye coordination with the bat, or they wouldn't be producing so many quality LO batsmen, and there's certainly no shortage of resources. Just a totally bankrupt system in terms of producing Test batsmen

Tell you what’s a worry

There’s been a few comments about the training methods of the English batsmen today & it’s some of the same **** they’re doing here

Social Jr has been a member of a few elite junior squads and I have seen that one legged thing before

Made no sense then

Makes no sense now

Look at the techniques of Harris, Burns & Hameed

Bobby Simpson would take one look at those guys & chuck them into the dustbin

 

[vicleggie]

Bcos Australia are ruthless and pound most visiting teams.

Like India the last 2 times?
Or South Africa?

 

[Burgey]

Just a totally bankrupt system in terms of producing Test batsmen

A morally bankrupt people tbh

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Like India the last 2 times?
Or South Africa?

Most, not all

 

[Spark]

Tell you what’s a worry

There’s been a few comments about the training methods of the English batsmen today & it’s some of the same **** they’re doing here

Social Jr has been a member of a few elite junior squads and I have seen that one legged thing before

Made no sense then

Makes no sense now

Look at the techniques of Harris, Burns & Hameed

Bobby Simpson would take one look at those guys & chuck them into the dustbin

I mean, at some level those blokes just aren't that talented. Honest domestic journeymen who probably don't quite have the intangibles for Tests. It's those who probably do have those raw intangibles in terms of batting talent - Buttler, Bairstow etc - whose counterparts in other countries have eventually "made it" in Tests that are the confusion to me. No Test side ought to be building their batting orders around the likes of Harris or Burns.

 

[stephen]

Well that was a good day of test cricket. At least from a partisan perspective. About the only thing which would have made it better is if Boland didn't get a wicket and Harris had have been dismissed.

 

[social]

T20 is a rapidly evolving form of the game

Latest development is less movement at the crease

Hello!!!!!

That’s always been the way

Warne is right

<quick shower>

The standard of many things has improved massively in cricket but, in general, batting techniques have gone backwards

 

[stephen]

Tell you what’s a worry

There’s been a few comments about the training methods of the English batsmen today & it’s some of the same **** they’re doing here

Social Jr has been a member of a few elite junior squads and I have seen that one legged thing before

Made no sense then

Makes no sense now

Look at the techniques of Harris, Burns & Hameed

Bobby Simpson would take one look at those guys & chuck them into the dustbin

If anything, batting one legged is going to make you a worse batsman because it will train your brain to move your bat to the ball instead of moving your body into the correct position. Footwork is 90% of good test batsmanship.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

What's the one-legged thing? Batting like a flamingo?

 

[Spark]

Well that was a good day of test cricket. At least from a partisan perspective. About the only thing which would have made it better is if Boland didn't get a wicket and Harris had have been dismissed.

Am I the only one who finds this sorts of state-based partisanship incredibly tedious? It's driven half this country completely mad in more serious matters and been utterly, utterly miserable to have to wade through over the last two years.

 

[stephen]

Am I the only one who finds this sorts of state-based partisanship incredibly tedious? It's driven half this country completely mad in more serious matters and been utterly, utterly miserable to have to wade through over the last two years.

It's not state based anything. I really think it's wrong to drop a bloke after one test who did nothing wrong for a guy who isn't actually better than him. They should have stuck with Neser instead of going for the 32yo debutante who offers nothing greater.

Edit: I'm not saying Neser is particularly good either, but he's put in the domestic yards, has been with the test squad a lot. Honestly I'm a big Bird fan and think it's a real shame he's injured. It's not anti- Victorian bias, it's anti- selector bias.

 

[Spark]

It's not state based anything. I really think it's wrong to drop a bloke after one test who did nothing wrong for a guy who isn't actually better than him. They should have stuck with Neser instead of going for the 32yo debutante who offers nothing greater.

I mean, didn't Cummins say yesterday that neither Neser nor Jhye were fully fit...?

 

[stephen]

I mean, didn't Cummins say yesterday that neither Neser nor Jhye were fully fit...?

I thought only Jhye was injured.