*Official* Yorkshire CCC racism crisis thread

[Son Of Coco]

You're saying Asians hate sport? Jesus

I can only comment on my experience in Korea, but when you're studying 14 hours a day, it doesn't leave much time for sport.

I foolishly assumed I could maybe get back into hockey over there given they have teams in the Olympics...never saw it being played anywhere once in the two years I was there. I saw baseball a couple of times, some social tennis and football etc, but for a kid it's a different world once they're in middle school. They study.

I don't think the system moves in its entirety elsewhere in all cases though. I teach English to some elementary school kids on a Saturday afternoon. It's essentially glorified child-mlnding so their parents can go shopping whilst abdicating their parental responsibilities (basically what the private tutoring system is in Korea), but the premise is the same as in Korea - more study = good. The result is essentially the same too - a lot of wasted time. Quite a few of these kids play organised sport, so they're not adopting the whole approach from home.

In short, it's not that Koreans hate sport, but they aren't really given the time to devote to it, generally speaking, during their formative years. This might be changing slowly, but I doubt it's done a full 180 yet. Extending this to all Asians is obviously grouping a lot of cultural backgrounds into the same sort of behaviours, which is very unlikely to be accurate.

 

[Chewie]

In Korea as well, they might have time after their night classes but it's too late to play any proper sport so they play esports online instead and might be why they're one of the best countries at esports.

I think that culture is somewhat uniquely Korean though rather than other Asian cultures as as far as I know, the after school classes aren't nearly as common elsewhere

 

[Son Of Coco]

Sure but it's mostly cultural. Indians aren't genetically suited to cricket, it's just their favourite sport

I think it's more correct to say "they're no more genetically suited to cricket than any other nation that plays cricket". Cricket's not really a game where, at least outwardly, a person's physiology presents them as being more or less suited to the game.

Social's point about rugby is correct though - people from certain cultural backgrounds are more naturally suited to the game than others, particularly at a young age. There are weight divisions in rugby league and similar sports to try to balance this out. It's fact. It doesn't mean people from other backgrounds can't be successful - Japan is evidence of this in rugby, but doing so requires a different approach to simply relying on those physical traits that are traditionally considered advantageous in these types of sports. You may well get Japanese rugby players who are as big physically as those from island nations, but if your plan is to build a team where every player is match for those who play for the likes of NZ, Samoa, Australia etc, you're on a hiding to nothing, and will be waiting a long time for it to happen.

I should add that where I disagree with Social is I think Vaughan is a tool and doubt his comments were made in any kind of good faith.

 

[Son Of Coco]

In Korea as well, they might have time after their night classes but it's too late to play any proper sport so they play esports online instead and might be why they're one of the best countries at esports.

I think that culture is somewhat uniquely Korean though rather than other Asian cultures as as far as I know, the after school classes aren't nearly as common elsewhere

You say "it's too late to play proper sport"...I say "are addicted to technology and would rather play computer games" haha

It's true. It is too late - they are expected to go home and do homework after they finish studying, so unless anyone is up for a kick around at about 1am, it's not happening. The culture of study, study, study doesn't lend support to kids doing large amounts of physical activity.

The after-school study thing is definitely not everywhere, thankfully. It's a ****ed-up "keeping up with the Jones's" mentality that achieves no real benefit. Unless you consider increased suicide rates a benefit.

 

[Spark]

My admittedly limited experience in Vietnam is that there kids there love football just as much as any sport loving kid in the West loves their own chosen sport. The difference is the complete lack of real grassroots infrastructure as well as not a great deal of underlying sporting culture which means that sport is something to be consumed and watched, more than played above the most informal, basic level.

 

[Chubb]

This thread is going wildly off topic now, but if Malaysian sport was competently organised they would be at Japan's level in rugby, better than Singapore at cricket and a strong Asian confederation football team. But it isn't. Has nothing to do with the culture, Malaysians in general love sports. But the nation chronically underperforms in team sport. There's a reason Malaysians have been world champions in badminton and squash but never team sports.

The exception is hockey where they are actually pretty good and compete with Japan and Korea for places at international tournaments. They can and do destroy every other east Asian side with their youth team. My theory about this is that the Sultan of Perak, Azlan Shah, loved hockey and promoted it across the country, including during his time as King of Malaysia. But again I think they should be better.

 

[Burgey]

better than Singapore at cricket

I mean, so what?

 

[Chubb]

I mean, so what?

Singapore made the 2021 T20 WC qualifying tournament, that is better than Malaysia have ever done. Being better than Singapore at stuff is a big deal for many Malaysians, even those who aren't very patriotic.

 

[Burgey]

Really? That surprises me as I've always thought of Singapore as pretty insignificant.

 

[Chubb]

Really? That surprises me as I've always thought of Singapore as pretty insignificant.

Not to Malaysians it isn't. Imagine if Sydney had been kicked out of the Federation and went on to become a wealthy global financial hub and the rest of Australia remained a "developing" country

 

[harsh.ag]

Not to Malaysians it isn't. Imagine if Sydney had been kicked out of the Federation and went on to become a wealthy global financial hub and the rest of Australia remained a "developing" country

What do you mean "imagine"?

 

[Chubb]

What do you mean "imagine"?

I knew someone would say that.

FYI Malaysia with all its faults > Singapore

 

[andruid]

In a desperate attempt to segue this thread back to the OP

 

[Son Of Coco]

Has nothing to do with the culture,

The way things function in every country has at least something to do with the culture. Whether that is directly or indirectly. It's impossible to do anything completely divorced of the culture that event takes place in.

 

[BigDougy]

Hopefully Darren Gough can help to get Yorkshire back in shape and install a team culture where everyone fights for the team, and respects their team mates, regardless of Race/Religion.

 

[Daemon]

I knew someone would say that.

FYI Malaysia with all its faults > Singapore

Wrong.

 

[TheJediBrah]

How could Malaysia be considered better than Singapore. Singapore is pretty great and Malaysia is a hole

 

[harsh.ag]

I knew someone would say that.

FYI Malaysia with all its faults > Singapore

Look man I don't know anything about Malaysia but the fact that their holiday brochures are all about giant casinos in the hills does not speak well for the country

 

[Aritro]

Malaysia is a magnificent place to visit, with beaches, mountains and rainforest and some of the best street food in the world.

You're all wrong.

 

[Burgey]

How could Malaysia be considered better than Singapore. Singapore is pretty great and Malaysia is a hole

This is a bad take. Singapore is really, really average. Like the Brisbane of SE Asia.