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***Official New Zealand in India Nov-Dec 2021 Thread***

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
The umpire reviewed the bowled because Ashwin reviewed it. He signalled for a review. He should lose a review.
But he reviewed it for caught behind (presumably) so he shouldn't lose it. Although why he was that dopey to think it was caught behind is beyond me.

Or if the keeper's gloves had knocked off the bail before the ball arrives? (a la Brad Haddin cheating incident in pre-DRS days). I don't see why a player can't ask for a review for a bowled.
Can they not in the rules? To be fair, if there's doubt on a bowled the batsman has very little way of knowing (although Ashwin was just dopey and didn't wait a second to ask or look at those flashing bails near his foot) and therefore they should be able to go up without losing a review.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Hold on, how do you know he missed the fact it hit the bat? He could have decided it was pad first squeezed into bat.
Coz when they are squeezed in so close, there is no way you can say for sure in real time. Which is why most umpires would give it not out, even if it actually was pad first (and in this case, it was not).
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Coz when they are squeezed in so close, there is no way you can say for sure in real time. Which is why most umpires would give it not out, even if it actually was pad first (and in this case, it was not).
Yeah, but not all of them. He decided it was pad first. And as I've said, I don't even know if it was a mistake - I'm not even sure now which contact was first. I know you seem sure, and that's fine. I have no issue with the decision. Sometimes you strike bad luck. And umpires are damned if they do, damned if they don't sometimes when a cricket forum and its posters can't agree on the decision after 24 hours of analysis.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
But he reviewed it for caught behind (presumably) so he shouldn't lose it. Although why he was that dopey to think it was caught behind is beyond me.



Can they not in the rules? To be fair, if there's doubt on a bowled the batsman has very little way of knowing (although Ashwin was just dopey and didn't wait a second to ask or look at those flashing bails near his foot) and therefore they should be able to go up without losing a review.
True and the review was basically cancelled in this case. And yes, the umpires can review any decision they want today. Even bowleds when keepers are standing so close to the stumps. Although, due to the foreshortening issue, it always seems like the keeper is closer to the stumps than they actually are, from those front on angles. I hope that does not create a controversial decision in the future, although thankfully the side on should be good enough for that most of the time.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Yeah, but not all of them. He decided it was pad first. And as I've said, I don't even know if it was a mistake - I'm not even sure now which contact was first. I know you seem sure, and that's fine. I have no issue with the decision. Sometimes you strike bad luck. And umpires are damned if they do, damned if they don't sometimes when a cricket forum and its posters can't agree on the decision after 24 hours of analysis.
Again, mate, I am not saying it was a shocker or a howler or whatever. I felt the best word to use was "rough" and not even "bad" coz its a decision that 99% of the time will go to the batsman and for some reason, the umpire gave it out here. I am not even criticizing him as such, coz umpires can make mistakes and this seemed a honest mistake. Like I said, it just shows bad luck follows bad form, that is all.
 

Moss

International Captain
So great to see that Ajaz has made the most of his homecoming and kept NZ afloat. Shame about the Wagner non-selection, it’s looking more and more costly as this innings progresses.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
So great to see that Ajaz has made the most of his homecoming and kept NZ afloat. Shame about the Wagner non-selection, it’s looking more and more costly as this innings progresses.
Of course I agree that Wagner should have been selected (in fact I was perhaps the most convinced of that in this thread even before the first test)...

However neither Southee nor Jamieson have taken a wicket this test. Southee has been good, Jamieson has been poor.

We would be better off just not having bowled Somerville at all but not sure if Wagner would have made a huge amount of difference so far this innings. Definitely last test he would have.
 

Moss

International Captain
Of course I agree that Wagner should have been selected (in fact I was perhaps the most convinced of that in this thread even before the first test)...

However neither Southee nor Jamieson have taken a wicket this test. Southee has been good, Jamieson has been poor.

We would be better off just not having bowled Somerville at all but not sure if Wagner would have made a huge amount of difference so far this innings. Definitely last test he would have.
Yeah we can only speculate, but Jamieson having off days is exactly a reason why you’d want your third seamer with a noted ability to bowl long spells. He and Southee bowled a hell of a lot in the first test. Wagner wouldn’t have got too many wickets, but would have offered Latham control.

Also, if you’d have offered this Indian batting lineup the chance to avoid dealing with Wagner they’d jump at it every time.
 

karan_fromthestands

State Captain
Axar Patel's reaction every time Ajaz Patel picks up a wicket.


NZ batters should come up with a plan to counter the spin, or Axar and Ash will serve them an innings defeat on a platter. Hopefully they won't shell up like the English batsmen and counter-attack.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah we can only speculate, but Jamieson having off days is exactly a reason why you’d want your third seamer with a noted ability to bowl long spells. He and Southee bowled a hell of a lot in the first test. Wagner wouldn’t have got too many wickets, but would have offered Latham control.

Also, if you’d have offered this Indian batting lineup the chance to avoid dealing with Wagner they’d jump at it every time.
Agreed on everything here. It's a cliche but you also get Wagner's infectious enthusiasm and always at you spirit.

Somerville has been really, really poor too. He's so one dimensional and couple that with bowling to India's RHers, he's just meat and drink to them. Woeful selection decision.
 

Moss

International Captain
Well played Mayank. Been superb against spin and put the middle order’s performance in perspective. Made up for the absence of Rohit.
 

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