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***Official New Zealand in India Nov-Dec 2021 Thread***

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
That Kohli decision was so rough for the third umpire. I think it was probably pad-bat-pad. I think you have to go in with the onfield umpire's decision. I second the need for higher FPS cameras though.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
That Kohli decision was so rough for the third umpire. I think it was probably pad-bat-pad. I think you have to go in with the onfield umpire's decision. I second the need for higher FPS cameras though.
I have no problems with what the 3rd umpire decided or even how he decided but there is no way that was pad-bat-pad.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I've been replaying it over and over again and I think I see two deflections - first from pad to bat and then from bat to pad. But it could easily be just me convincing myself too - the FPS is too slow for it to be definitive.
 

loterry1994

International Debutant
I still think it was bat first then pad for Kohlis dismissal. I don’t know what it is with Kohlis struggle of form since the corona period.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Actually looking at it yet again, I think you're right. These are the best angles, and the bat is closer to the ball and not behind like it may look like from the initial angle.


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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Actually looking at it yet again, I think you're right. These are the best angles, and the bat is closer to the ball and not behind like it may look like from the initial angle.


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And if you see the whole replay, you can actually see him move his front foot away from the line of the ball to bring his bat towards it. Like I said, it is the foreshortening effect of the camera that makes it seem closer front on than it actually was. Its a dismissal that most umpires would never give out on field and that is how it should have been IMO. The mistake was the onfield call, the third umpire had no other option but to let the decision stay if he did not find the evidence conclusive.

And while there are the usual idiotic takes from a couple of the usual suspects, I think Virat actually handled it pretty well. He asked his doubt, got an explanation and then walked off. Showed disappointment without letting it get into the dissent levels like he usually does. Fair play all around. Its one of those unlucky things that seem to go against you when you are out of form.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
70 runs in 12 overs from Somerville and Ravindra. So glad we left out Wagner.

don’t think I’ve ever been madder with a selection and it’s kinda poisoned my ability to enjoy this test.
 

TheJediBrah

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I think it was probably pad-bat-pad.
Looks that way. At best the first impact was both at the same time. Definitely wasn't bat first, right decision by 3rd umpire. If on field gave it not out you'd probably stick with that too, way too much doubt to overturn anything
 

nzfan

International Vice-Captain
And if you see the whole replay, you can actually see him move his front foot away from the line of the ball to bring his bat towards it. Like I said, it is the foreshortening effect of the camera that makes it seem closer front on than it actually was. Its a dismissal that most umpires would never give out on field and that is how it should have been IMO. The mistake was the onfield call, the third umpire had no other option but to let the decision stay if he did not find the evidence conclusive.

And while there are the usual idiotic takes from a couple of the usual suspects, I think Virat actually handled it pretty well. He asked his doubt, got an explanation and then walked off. Showed disappointment without letting it get into the dissent levels like he usually does. Fair play all around. Its one of those unlucky things that seem to go against you when you are out of form.
That wasn't out in my opinion. I think there was enough evidence it hit the bat prior. That said umpiring has been terrible this series. Young's was a terrible decision too and I guess the umpires were supposed to sound out to the batter the time was running out which didn't happen.

Yesterday the umpire didn't even see the DRS and was telling the umpire in the middle to stick with his decision. It's been that bad.

I guess treat it like how Young, Latham did, take it on the chin and move on. There'll be few more blunders as the game progresses.
 

nzfan

International Vice-Captain
Seeing Ravindra wasn't all that well, was it a good idea to play him? Respect to the kid diving around all over the place giving it 100% but surely if he wasn't good shouldn't they have played Phillips?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Looks that way. At best the first impact was both at the same time. Definitely wasn't bat first, right decision by 3rd umpire. If on field gave it not out you'd probably stick with that too, way too much doubt to overturn anything
I actually think it was bat first on the balance of probabilities tbh but it's so hard to tell that I think the third umpire made the right decision to stick with the on field call.

If anything the standing umpire ****ed up - there's no way he was thinking "pad-bat-pad" when it happened and gave it out based on that, he just missed the edge.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Seeing Ravindra wasn't all that well, was it a good idea to play him? Respect to the kid diving around all over the place giving it 100% but surely if he wasn't good shouldn't they have played Phillips?
I haven't heard this sick Rachin theory from anyone but you, but I assume you'd know. If he was too unwell to bowl the overs they'd usually want they definitely should have played Phillips instead. It might have even made them less tempted to play Somerville ahead of Wagner.
 

nzfan

International Vice-Captain
I haven't heard this sick Rachin theory from anyone but you, but I assume you'd know. If he was too unwell to bowl the overs they'd usually want they definitely should have played Phillips instead. It might have even made them less tempted to play Somerville ahead of Wagner.

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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year


Pretty clear that at best, the ball hit bat and pad at the same time, which is still not out. But my view is that it is some of that foreshortening effect that makes it seem like it brushed the pad. The pad and its angle make it clear that even if the ball is to brush off it, there would be deviation but the ball only hit the inside edge onto the back pad. The angle of the pad and his foot shows he was moving it away from the line of the ball.

Of course, nothing to change what I originally posted on the dismissal but I feel this clearly shows why it was a bad decision on the field.
All things told there from what you've said, that doesn't make a bad decision at all does it? Bat and pad at the same time, and even when I'm watching after the referral, I couldn't tell which was first. At normal speed on field, there's nothing bad about that decision at all. It's near on a 50/50 decision, and in 50/50 you have to call heads or tails. Umpire called heads, some think it was tails. I think it's OK to say it was a really marginal one, Kohli is probably a touch unlucky potentially, but we move on.
 

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