Imran vs Wasim

[nightprowler10]

I grew up idolizing Wasim, but it has to be Imran.

 

[Line and Length]

Tests - Akram
ODIs - Akram

Without considering Barnes,
Tests
1. AKRAM
2. Marshall / Hadlee
3. Hadlee / Marshall
4. Lillee / STEYN
5. STEYN / Lillee
6.Mcgrath
7.Murali
8.Trueman
9. Warne
10. Donald
11. Ambrose
12. IMRAN

Akram > Steyn > Imran

What have you been smoking?

 

[Coronis]

What have you been smoking?

Don’t bother to waste your time mate.

 

[Gob]

I have a suspicion. Hey Pap explain how you get reverse swing with them fingers

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

What have you been smoking?

Why are you so biased?

Akram is among elite ATG cricketers by general consensus.

Unusually long career for a pacer

Lack of fielding support

Controversies / captaincy pressure

Bowled a lot from the junk end

Recognized as world's best bowler for most of the 90s.

Played mostly in unhelpful conditions.

Best top order wicket avg ( less than 18)
among all the bowlers listed above ( except Trueman )

Up there with Lillee in terms of peer rating.

High % of clean bowled and LBW wickets.

One of the most popular AT 11 candidate

And no other bowler in the history would be recognized as an underachiever after taking 400+ wickets at less than 25.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Don’t bother to waste your time mate.

Akram's actual wicket tally is 1000+ including drops. He has to take every wicket thrice to actually dismiss the batsman, check YouTube videos for proof.
With that kind of fielding Mcgrath would have averaged 25+.
?

 

[_00_deathscar]

Why are you so biased?

Akram is among elite ATG cricketers by general consensus.

Unusually long career for a pacer

Lack of fielding support

Controversies / captaincy pressure

Bowled a lot from the junk end

Recognized as world's best bowler for most of the 90s.

Played mostly in unhelpful conditions.

Best top order wicket avg ( less than 18)
among all the bowlers listed above ( except Trueman )

Up there with Lillee in terms of peer rating.

High % of clean bowled and LBW wickets.

One of the most popular AT 11 candidate

And no other bowler in the history would be recognized as an underachiever after taking 400+ wickets at less than 25.

Ok.

 

[Line and Length]

Why are you so biased?

I'm not biased. I rate Akram in the top dozen or so bowlers. This is bias ... ranking him higher than any other ATG.

1. AKRAM
2. Marshall / Hadlee
3. Hadlee / Marshall
4. Lillee / STEYN
5. STEYN / Lillee
6.Mcgrath
7.Murali
8.Trueman
9. Warne
10. Donald
11. Ambrose
12. IMRAN

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I'm not biased. I rate Akram in the top dozen or so bowlers. This is bias ... ranking him higher than any other ATG.

1. AKRAM
2. Marshall / Hadlee
3. Hadlee / Marshall
4. Lillee / STEYN
5. STEYN / Lillee
6.Mcgrath
7.Murali
8.Trueman
9. Warne
10. Donald
11. Ambrose
12. IMRAN

1. Barnes
2. Akram

Happy?

 

[Coronis]

1. Barnes
2. Akram

Happy?

You’re not making anyone happy. But that’s not your goal right?

 

[Gob]

Akram's actual wicket tally is 1000+ including drops. He has to take every wicket thrice to actually dismiss the batsman, check YouTube videos for proof.
With that kind of fielding Mcgrath would have averaged 25+.
?

Well he was inducing those edges by swinging the ball and swing was achieved mainly through ball tampering. So none of those arguments are valid

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

[/QUOTE]

You’re not making anyone happy. But that’s not your goal right?

I wont complain, if anyone rates Lillee, Steyn, Mcgrath or Hadlee as GOAT bowler.. Its their opinion and i can see the logic behind it.
Same applies with Akram, I dont care if anyone disagrees with Akram being arguable GOAT... Its like saying Viv is not arguable GOAT ( bar Bradman).
Akram is rated by many as the best they played with or against.. That includes Steyn, Mcgrath, Ambrose, Donald, Waquar.. Etc.. If he is better than Steyn and Mcgrath and nowhere near the GOAT tag.. Its not just against Akram.. Its insulting Steyn and Mcgrath too.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Well he was inducing those edges by swinging the ball and swing was achieved mainly through ball tampering. So none of those arguments are valid

Ball tampering makes all the arguments invalid..

So you believe, Mcgrath needs ball tampering to keep his avg under 25 in such situations.

 

[Migara]

Let's Try. You can add later.
ENG = 3 openers, Hammond
AUS = Bradman, Smith , Ponting, Steve Waugh , Chappell
WI = Sober, Lara, Viv Richard's
IND = Gavaskar, Sachin
SL = Sangakkara
SA = Kallis

Add more if I missed someone.

ENG - Add Barrington, Root
WI - Add Headly
SA - AB
ZIM - Andy Flower
NZ - Williamson

 

[Migara]

Let's try for Wasim

AUS = McGrath, Lillee, Warne
ENG = Barnes
SA = Steyn , Donald ( Maybe)
WI = Amrose, Marshall
NZ = Hadlee
SL = Murali
Pak = Imran

AUS - Lindwall
WI - Garner, Holding, Roberts
Pak - Waqar

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Akram is picked in ATXI because he is the greatest Left arm fast bowler ( variation factor ) .

If that is the case, why no left hand batsman getting into an AT 11 on the basis of left hand variety? Or why Allan Davidson wasn't a popular choice for AT 11s before the emergence of Akram?

 

[Gob]

If that is the case, why no left hand batsman getting into an AT 11 on the basis of left hand variety? Or why Allan Davidson wasn't a popular choice for AT 11s before the emergence of Akram?

Sobers is given and most AT xis eventually get another left hander plus Gilchrist at 7 so you don't have to look specifically

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Sobers is given and most AT xis eventually get another left hander plus Gilchrist at 7 so you don't have to look specifically

Only Sobers until 2000.

 

[Gob]

Only Sobers until 2000.

Kallis?

Great player but still Sobers is universally preferred

 

[sunilz]

Kallis?

Great player but still Sobers is universally preferred

He is saying before Gilchrist there was only 1 LHB in ATXI.