On the judgement of openers

[Coronis]

I concur. The bloke who averages 50+ home and away and has more centuries in about 80 less innings is equal to the bloke who averages 44 home and 46 away.

 

[Nikhil99.94]

I concur. The bloke who averages 50+ home and away and has more centuries in about 80 less innings is equal to the bloke who averages 44 home and 46 away.

Gavasker scored 774 runs against wi when sobers was the leading bowler for wi,sobers was a good bowler but imagine a side with sobers being the leader of the bowling attack and that was in 1971,that helps his away stats a lot just remove it and his away average is 46,cook never had chance to boost his away records like gavasker against sobers as the leader of bowling attack in flat pitches,4 players scored over 500 runs at the average of over 75 and 2 over 130,cooks away average is 46 too playing full bowling attack of opposition everytime.
gavaskers average in England is 41 and it’s in 28 innings where cook had to open the batting and averaged 44 which is possibly hardest place on the earth to open.
gavasker was a good player but in equal level with cook.

 

[sunilz]

Gavasker scored 774 runs against wi when sobers was the leading bowler for wi,sobers was a good bowler but imagine a side with sobers being the leader of the bowling attack and that was in 1971,that helps his away stats a lot just remove it and his away average is 46,cook never had chance to boost his away records like gavasker against sobers as the leader of bowling attack in flat pitches,4 players scored over 500 runs at the average of over 75 and 2 over 130,cooks away average is 46 too playing full bowling attack of opposition everytime.
gavaskers average in England is 41 and it’s in 28 innings where cook had to open the batting and averaged 44 which is possibly hardest place on the earth to open.
gavasker was a good player but in equal level with cook.

Gavaskar was really lucky. He never faced INDIAN bowling attack (2011,2012,2014) . If he had faced those attacks he would have really struggled and retired early.
Let's not forget the mighty SL pace attack which COOK faced in 2011, 2014 and 2016.

@Nikhil99.94
I feel Dravid would have been better than Hobbs had he been Englishman, considering his record in England. What do you say ? ?

 

[Nikhil99.94]

@Nikhil99.94
I feel Dravid would have been better than Hobbs had he been Englishman, considering his record in England. What do you say ? ?

People here saying gavasker was far superior to cook aren’t right and that’s a fact,there is a reason England haven’t found a opener for a decade because England is possibly the hardest place to open the batting,imagine bradman playing a side where an old sobers is the leader of bowling attack???.

No,hobbs averaged more than Dravid and batted in way way more difficult situation.

 

[sunilz]

People here saying gavasker was far superior to cook aren’t right and that’s a fact,there is a reason England haven’t found a opener for a decade because England is possibly the hardest place to open the batting.

No,hobbs averaged more than Dravid and batted in way way more difficult situation.

Dravid averages more than Hobbs in England iirc.

Can I use your logic to claim Kapil Dev was better bowler than Fred Truman?

 

[Nikhil99.94]

Dravid averages more than Hobbs in England iirc.

Can I use your logic to claim Kapil Dev was better bowler than Fred Truman?

You literally are comparing opening in England and in India,and stating gavaskers overseas record which is only better than cook because he played against sobers who had bowling average of 34?? as the leader of bowling attack in flat pitches,cook and gavasker are almost same and the difference between them would be little not like how people claim here.
The difference between hobbs and gavasker would be comfortably more than cook and gavasker..

 

[sunilz]

You literally are comparing opening in England and in India,and stating gavaskers overseas record which is only better than cook because he played against sobers who had bowling average of 34?? as the leader of bowling attack in flat pitches,cook and gavasker are almost same and the difference between them would be little not like how people claim here.
The difference between hobbs and gavasker would be more than cook and gavasker..

Why are you adding ?? to your every post ?
If cook was so against swing bowling , why his average in NZ , SA is 27, 31 ?

 

[Nikhil99.94]

Why are you adding ?? to your every post ?
If cook was so against swing bowling , why his average in NZ , SA is in 30s. ?

Because facing sobers as the leader of the bowling attack who averaged 34 in flat decks is laughable,without that gavaskers away stats are pretty much same as cook.As I said cook and gavasker are so close to each other it’s not like people make it look like.
I see cooks average similar to gavasker in India and I didn’t say cook was superior than gavasker they were almost equal.
As I again repeat the difference cook and gavasker is really close.
Why don’t you accept that averaging 44 in England as a opener is pretty much the same as averaging 50 in India and their overseas record is pretty much the same ,cook had to face opposition best bowling line up everytime too.

 

[trundler]

People here saying gavasker was far superior to cook aren’t right and that’s a fact

No it isn't and you're wrong

 

[Coronis]

Oh good so I can ignore Cook’s records in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, The UAE and West Indies because their bowling attacks were subpar.

 

[Xix2565]

I don't get this overrating of Cook just because he's English.

 

[Daemon]

Reading this Nikhil fellas posts makes me appreciate sunilz

 

[Prince EWS]

Reading this Nikhil fellas posts makes me appreciate sunilz

Ok it’s fine,I genuinely believe there isnt much difference between Nikhil and sunilz.if you think the difference between the two is like miles it’s not.

As I said I believe the difference between the two is really smaller not how people make it look like ,if you say sunilz was little better I would accept it.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Gavasker scored 774 runs against wi when sobers was the leading bowler for wi,sobers was a good bowler but imagine a side with sobers being the leader of the bowling attack and that was in 1971,that helps his away stats a lot just remove it and his away average is 46,cook never had chance to boost his away records like gavasker against sobers as the leader of bowling attack in flat pitches,4 players scored over 500 runs at the average of over 75 and 2 over 130,cooks away average is 46 too playing full bowling attack of opposition everytime.
gavaskers average in England is 41 and it’s in 28 innings where cook had to open the batting and averaged 44 which is possibly hardest place on the earth to open.
gavasker was a good player but in equal level with cook.

Cook couldn't even average 50 when everyone and their dogs were doing it.

 

[Nikhil99.94]

Cook couldn't even average 50 when everyone and their dogs were doing it.

I am getting confused,I compared cook with gavasker and said there isn’t much difference ,people are making gavasker look like he is bradman.

 

[Daemon]

Ah, so what you’re saying is that Gavaskar is a moderate upgrade on Cook

 

[Jack1]

I am getting confused,I compared cook with gavasker and said there isn’t much difference ,people are making gavasker look like he is bradman.

It you are blocked then take a diamond duck

 

[harsh.ag]

Cook is quite tricky to accurately rate, tbh. Almost as good as Gavaskar, however, fails a bit dramatically.