Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Fred Goodall has passed away aged 83. Condolences to his loved ones.
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Fred Goodall has passed away
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Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
To give him a bit of credit he admitted that having spoken to the batsman involved he got all the big decisions wrong.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
I was to young to see 79/80, but as an 80s kid. Goodall and (i think Woodward) umpired every test I saw for about the first 6 or 7 years of watching cricket, I think. Was strange when a new umpire came along.
I was surprised, when I eventually learned about 79/80 and that an NZ umpire had been so controversial.
Looking back at youtube footage of older cricket, which I've been doing a lot lately. It's so markedly obvious that the modern elite panel are so much better people managers than umpires of yore (Also DRS has made them so much better anyway, so less controversial incidents full stop.) Nigel Llong's mannersims is the closest you'd get now to an umpire that rankles the players.
I was surprised, when I eventually learned about 79/80 and that an NZ umpire had been so controversial.
Looking back at youtube footage of older cricket, which I've been doing a lot lately. It's so markedly obvious that the modern elite panel are so much better people managers than umpires of yore (Also DRS has made them so much better anyway, so less controversial incidents full stop.) Nigel Llong's mannersims is the closest you'd get now to an umpire that rankles the players.
OverratedSanity
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May have been a **** umpire but that doesnt mean he deserved to basically be assaulted like that by croft. RIP.
Moss
International Captain
Much as Lloyd's Windies were probably worthy of the kind reverence that fans in India of that generation seem to reserve for them, their behaviour at times and Lloyd's refusal to reign them in doesn't get called out enough (in comparison with Waugh/Ponting era Aus). Growing up in a cricket-mad family, it was pretty much the rite of passage to hear older folks repeat variations of "the Windies were all gentlemen on the field, not like today's Australians".
RIP Goodall.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Not making excuses for the Windies, but they’d just had a long Test and ODI tour of Australia and didn’t really want the New Zealand leg. Viv Richards didn’t go. Their mood was just tipped over the edge by the terrible umpiring. Okay maybe that is making excuses, and a crap one too. 
Moss
International Captain
I'd be interested to know from those who followed Lloyd-era Windies closely whether the reports of petulance were just isolated incidents, or whether it was a thing - for example, recall reading in Mihir's Bose's book on Indian cricket that when Gavaskar made 236* in Madras (highest score by an Indian at the time) in a dead rubber with already India 3-0 down, the Windies were quite furious about a caught behind decision which was turned down, and made it a point not to applaud or acknowledge him for the rest of the game, which suggests it didn't just happen when things weren't going their way. Only wondering because it just seems/seemed to be accepted wisdom that they "won with grace".Not making excuses for the Windies, but they’d just had a long Test and ODI tour of Australia and didn’t really want the New Zealand leg. Viv Richards didn’t go. Their mood was just tipped over the edge by the terrible umpiring. Okay maybe that is making excuses, and a crap one too.
(Apologies for potentially derailing a condolences thread, bad form I suppose).
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
The Windies were always stroppy when getting iffy decisions. In 1973 Arthur Fagg refused to come out the next day after their reaction to one of his decisions (gave Boycott not out to a catch behind). There’s footage of Clive Lloyd showing dissent after a couple of dismissals of his own. They moaned relentlessly about the umpiring in 75/76 in Australia and during the tour that preceded the New Zealand tour. Gordon Greenidge wrote in his 1980 autobiography that “there is no such thing as a good Australian umpire”.
NotMcKenzie
International Debutant
Main thing I think of with Fred Goodall is actually this thing with the captain of a team that loved to argue with anyone and everyone possible.
Miandad's reaction as he walks after the second time is hilarious. Pretty bloody good audio as well.
Miandad's reaction as he walks after the second time is hilarious. Pretty bloody good audio as well.
Flem274*
123/5
There's ball by ball footage of a Marshall spell on youtube, and the sooking is ridiculous. Every other ball they're all shaking their heads, consoling each other and meandering around slowly. If a modern team did that they'd be more triggering than the Melbourne Storm taking naps on players or Kohli's high pitched squawking.
