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***Official English Football Season 2021/22***
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Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
accidentally more football insight in two minutes than sky pundits dish out in one month
It is the worst type of bad refereeing.
Being able to defend.
Was thinking about this recently though as they comfortably outplayed us back in March. Obvious thing would be signings and more importantly the fact that Norwich sold by far their best player in the summer. There are not all that many new players in our team though so must be more to it than that and the way we play has changed a lot although it was something that started last season. If we had gone up a couple of years back I reckon we would have been almost exactly like Norwich, a team that wants to have the ball but can't impose themselves at this level and then does not have the defence to fall back on. Having said that I have not actually seen a single Norwich match this season and they did have a horribly difficult start.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
AgrEeD
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Ranieri is back.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Barca women still playing like Barca at least
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Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
It's the Nations League semi-finals and Final/3rd/4th this week. I had to think incredible hard to remember what fixtures we played in it.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Maybe beaten by Denmark? Obviously I cba to check that one.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
We played Denmark, Belgium and Iceland and lost at home to Denmark and away to Belgium. Easily Googled of course, but I wanted to see if my aging memory could actually recall our fixtures without any searching. I did, but it took a while.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
WWho replaces Steve Bruce
duffer
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
TIL Kylian Mbappe is a lifelong Newcastle Utd fan
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I was hoping after all the hype it would fall through, just for the lols. Yet it's gone through.
Forgetting the moral implications, how long does it take to turn a bottom table club to regular Prem challengers? I mean Citeh had already had investment and was top-half, so was Chelsea.
Forgetting the moral implications, how long does it take to turn a bottom table club to regular Prem challengers? I mean Citeh had already had investment and was top-half, so was Chelsea.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
Yessss, it's gonna be a fun time on Twitter retweeting a bunch of Newcastle fans tweets about oil money.
The game has changed. Since City and PSG the cartel clubs have brought in FFP and walled off their garden. It's gonna be a much longer process for any of these clubs now to get into the elite. Villa facing the same issue. Brought it upon themselves though, really.
Think the chances of Newcastle being elite in the sense of winning titles is unlikely and if it does happen is a long way away. However, for all the critics of Mike Ashley he has given the new owners plenty of wiggle room in terms of FFP. Price of Football account reckons they have the scope to make FFP losses of 190mil - FFP max losses for PL clubs being 105mil + 38mil FFP profits over last 3 years + around 50mil that is suspected that can be written off as allowable expenses - academy stuff etc.
More than enough to be the 5th best team in England later this decade if they spend smartly and have a bit of luck I think but breaking into that top 4 could be tougher. I guess PIF could easily generate lucrative sponsorship to help FFP and they have a 52k capacity stadium as well so perhaps have an advantage there compared to a Leicester/Everton/Villa. Extra money for being in Europe too. Although FFP for Europe a lot more stringent too.
I'm really intrigued what they do in January - they've overpaid for club big time if club go down this year.
There is also talk around scrapping FFP so who knows. If that happens it becomes more of an arms race and Newcastle have pretty good arms now.
More than enough to be the 5th best team in England later this decade if they spend smartly and have a bit of luck I think but breaking into that top 4 could be tougher. I guess PIF could easily generate lucrative sponsorship to help FFP and they have a 52k capacity stadium as well so perhaps have an advantage there compared to a Leicester/Everton/Villa. Extra money for being in Europe too. Although FFP for Europe a lot more stringent too.
I'm really intrigued what they do in January - they've overpaid for club big time if club go down this year.
There is also talk around scrapping FFP so who knows. If that happens it becomes more of an arms race and Newcastle have pretty good arms now.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
That is entirely fan rumour though, isn't it? Nothing based in any fact or sourced in any way. There's no way the elite would allow it to be scrapped, especially now when they're all ****ed financially. The current reporting period has been extended by a year to cover the COVID losses but that's all that has come from offical channels.
Well media rumour too but it is speculation based on comments by a UEFA employee - so yeah its certainly nothing set in stone but its also not a random fan-started rumour with absolutely no basis.
A UEFA employee quoted as saying FFP in its current format was "purposeless" in a meeting co-hosted by UEFA and European Parliament. In fairness much of the comments were about replacing FFP rather than scrapping it with no replacement and a more proactive financial control that looks at transfer fees/wages - rumours range from a salary cap to a luxury tax - the former probably would please the biggest proponents of the Super League more, the latter the owners with the wealth to outspend anyone.
But - if you are Barcelona and Real Madrid - getting rid of FFP (depending on what the replacement is) may be appealing. May give them hope of getting rid of salary caps in Spain and Barcelona can try and compete with leading clubs again as long as someone is happy enough to loan them more money.
In terms of the PL - I'm not sure if Chelsea or Man City would be especially bothered - arguably no FFP gives even more opportunity to try and pull away from Man Utd and Liverpool. Arsenal with their spending in recent years and Europa League/no European football will presumably be getting quite close to FFP so if Kroenke suddenly decides to sell in the next couple years, the new owner would love no FFP to try and get back into that top 4. The more ambitious owners in the PL outside 'The Big 6' would probably prefer no FFP too.
But either way Newcastle, if they choose to spend big, have a bit of leeway in the short-term - title challenge will be tough but maybe they can use the system somewhat to their advantage re amortisation to be regularly in Europe, ocassionally challening for the CL later in the decade. Especially given their links to other companies maybe they can get favourable sponsorship deals.
But if they wanted to maybe max out your PL FFP in the next couple of years then look to renew contracts in 2 years time. So if they signed Lingaard for 40mil as a random example on a 4 year deal = 10mil per year in terms of amortisation costs. In 2 years time, give him a 5 year deal - 20mil remaining value/5 = 4million per year on the books. If they qualify for Europe ahead of schedule - punishment may just be a fine anyway but if its a ban from European comps for that season so be it I guess in the long game.
Of course maybe the speculation is just speculation and the owners are happy with the club just ticking over in the top half, being a fun team to watch and so not having to spend huge amounts (although small for them) to be challenging for titles. The money needed to go from 10th to 4th consistently would be quite a bit compared to the payoff (UCL money) which isn't even guaranteed.