Official NZ in Bangladesh (5 T20s)

[nzfan]

It's safe to say although we may have wanted to win we probably worked out our xi even before we left the shores it seems. Wanted to comment about that, why did we bring Bennett and Tickener in when Kuggs and Duffy had done really well? I guess the only reason I can think of is we didn't really care as much as we should about the result. If it comes then great but we will continue to rotate our faster bowlers seems to be the theme.

Guess we will see Sears in the next game :-)

Unless we don't think the pitches were reflection of batting CDG may have played his last game for BCs.

 

[SteveNZ]

Pathetic performance from Billy Ray Cyrus as usual. Was pathetic in England where he was a total passenger, now he's been pathetic in Bangladesh as well. No runs, dropped catches, hardly bowled, looks like a scruffy slob who isn't interested any more.

No intent to win the series by the C team handlers, tour was used purely as development exercise. Kuggs could have been given a better crack at a slot, might have scored some runs & wouldn't have done any worse than some of the others....McConchie looked like he'd never batted before in his life. Continuing to keep has-beens like Bennet sniffing around the side is just as pointless as continuing to play the (stunned) Mullet.

Wow. Glass half empty, huh?

Presuming you mean CdG for Billy Ray, he's never been a noted player of spin. Especially early in his innings. He was never going to score runs over there, and he's not been required to bowl. Granted the fielding hasn't been great. That's why they didn't pick him for the World T20 - he won't score runs in the sub-continent. Has zero to do with his mullet.

 

[Mike5181]

CdG just isn't that great in white-ball cricket. He's sort of overperformed in ODIs but he shouldn't be close to a T20I side.

 

[Frost]

Pathetic performance from Billy Ray Cyrus as usual. Was pathetic in England where he was a total passenger, now he's been pathetic in Bangladesh as well. No runs, dropped catches, hardly bowled, looks like a scruffy slob who isn't interested any more.

No intent to win the series by the C team handlers, tour was used purely as development exercise. Kuggs could have been given a better crack at a slot, might have scored some runs & wouldn't have done any worse than some of the others....McConchie looked like he'd never batted before in his life. Continuing to keep has-beens like Bennet sniffing around the side is just as pointless as continuing to play the (stunned) Mullet.

Tbf cdg is a test all rounder, and his record is very good despite his recent form. He's lucky that the top and middle order is actually pretty solid so his lack of form with the bat isn't as exposed, I don't think he's going anywhere, not based on one t20 series.
Can't expect the c team to do much more than what Australia's A team did.
Similar with Bennet, he's actually been a decent performer with the white ball, hard to judge ant of the seam bowlers on this tour.
Waaaay more positives than negatives from this series.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

As a spectacle I’ve found this series to be extremely dull, I have to say … will be glad when it’s over and we move onto Pakistan. These pitches really have been pathetic for t20 cricket.

 

[Immenso]

If Blundell's injury is serious then we will be seeing CdG in all remaining matches of the tour as a batsman, ugh.

For this Bang T20 section, he should play all anyway (with Blundell) as the 3rd seamer (if trying to win, rather than just give experience).

 

[Immenso]

As a spectacle I’ve found this series to be extremely dull, I have to say … will be glad when it’s over and we move onto Pakistan. These pitches really have been pathetic for t20 cricket.

I've actually quite liked it.

Usually I find T20s a bit dull.

But I can see that mass market won't like it and why Bangladesh board struggle to sell their rights overseas for the Australian tour etc.

 

[Kippax]

I sympathise with dopey old CdG. The likes of Leopard and Clarkson were the ones NZC would've been tipping to get themselves on this tour instead, back in about 2016.

Sadly they just stagnated in a 'plenty of chances locally to smash, get high in confidence, remain low in actual technical skill' sort of category.

 

[straw man]

Think there is a serious prospect of including Patel in NZ WC T20 squad. He’s been phenomenal. While the conditions will differ in UAE but looking at his bowling, he can’t do much wrong.

Put he and Latham in the same bucket - both good test cricketers whose value in this format is generally low, up until you come up against conditions like these and they're suddenly the best players in the side.

Squad is already named, so will NZ regret not picking them for the T20 world cup? Depends entirely on the pitches. It's easy to imagine playing on square turners where Sodhi's inaccuracy costs us and we wish for Ajaz, and Seifert can't buy a run and we wish Latham was a squad option. Also easy to imagine pitches where 180+ is par and it's the opposite.

 

[Immenso]

Next match will be last for : Bracewell, Duffy, Kuggeleijn, McConchie, Ravindra.
They head home after this.

Can assume all will play next match.
So, possible no Sears again next match ...

Mitchell will be available from the Pakistan leg onwards (both formats), so maybe some relief in sight for Colin.

For the next leg, there will be 3 and a half spinner options ; Astle, Sodhi, Patel, Chapman.
What are Pakistan pitches like these days? I haven't seen a match from there since about 2003.

 

[Kippax]

Yes as much as Usman Qadir was getting big turn on his googly and dominating Zimbabwe in Rawalpindi last year, there is a bit more of a chance to ask Sears to try to send down a 145+ short ball. If he's got those in him at this time.

 

[Mike5181]

BLACKCAPS squad for Bangladesh T20s & Pakistan ODIs

Tom Latham (c) (wk)
Finn Allen
Hamish Bennett
Tom Blundell (wk)
Doug Bracewell
Colin de Grandhomme
Jacob Duffy
Matt Henry (ODI only)
Scott Kuggeleijn
Cole McConchie
Henry Nicholls
Ajaz Patel
Rachin Ravindra
Ben Sears (T20 only)
Blair Tickner
Will Young

BLACKCAPS squad for Pakistan T20s

Tom Latham (c) (wk)
Finn Allen
Todd Astle
Hamish Bennett
Tom Blundell (wk)
Mark Chapman
Colin de Grandhomme
Martin Guptill
Matt Henry
Daryl Mitchell
Ajaz Patel
Ben Sears
Ish Sodhi
Blair Tickner
Will Young

The squad we are seeing against Bangladesh carries over to the Pakistan ODIs minus Ben Sears.

 

[Immenso]

NZ bowling stats so far, spinners v seamers:

New Zealand in Bangladesh T20I Series, 2021:

	Players	Mat	Inns	Overs	Runs	Wkts ​	Ave	Econ	SR
Spinners:	6	4	12	47.1	208	19	10.94	4.40	14.80
Seamers:	8	4	12	26.4	162	3	54.00	6.07	53.30

 

[thierry henry]

Crazy to see people complaining about how poor we are playing spin, when Ajaz and Ravindra have absolutely crushed it this series. That's a guy who isn't really considered a T20 option at all most of the time, and a borderline part-timer, against Bangladesh batsmen in their home conditions. If our guys are bad against spin then how bad are their guys?

 

[nzfan]

NZ bowling stats so far, spinners v seamers:

New Zealand in Bangladesh T20I Series, 2021:

	Players	Mat	Inns	Overs	Runs	https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...al1=span;team=5;template=results;type=bowling​ Wkts	Ave	Econ	SR
Spinners:	6	4	12	47.1	208	19	10.94	4.40	14.80
Seamers:	8	4	12	26.4	162	3	54.00	6.07	53.30

Bangladesh seamers took a lot of wickets from memory.

 

[Kippax]

Crazy to see people complaining about how poor we are playing spin, when Ajaz and Ravindra have absolutely crushed it this series. That's a guy who isn't really considered a T20 option at all most of the time, and a borderline part-timer, against Bangladesh batsmen in their home conditions. If our guys are bad against spin then how bad are their guys?

Yes but we always believed Ravindra's action looked too good to be a bottom-of-the-barrel 60+ average domestic bowler. That's just a wacky and neglectful NZC funhouse mirror, as much as Nikita Miller taking 538 first-class wickets at 16 wasn't a sign of WICB competence.

 

[thierry henry]

Yes but we always believed Ravindra's action looked too good to be bottom-of-the-barrel 60+ average domestic bowler. That's just a wacky and neglectful NZC funhouse mirror, as much as Nikita Miller taking 538 first-class wickets at 16 wasn't a sign of WICB competence.

Oh absolutely. I have high hopes for Ravindra. Nevertheless, just pointing out that perhaps the most destructive spinners in the series have been our 2 guys, neither of whom are even in our WC squad. If we're bad players of spin because we've struggled against Bangladesh's spinners (in their home conditions, foreign conditions for us, etc etc) then that doesn't say much for Bangladesh's batsmen struggling just as much against our B-squad.

 

[thierry henry]

I mean part of it is absolutely just that we have spinners outside our top-15 who are capable of being an absolute menace in favourable-but-foreign conditions. Which is a pretty good thing.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Next match will be last for : Bracewell, Duffy, Kuggeleijn, McConchie, Ravindra.
They head home after this.

Can assume all will play next match.
So, possible no Sears again next match ...

Mitchell will be available from the Pakistan leg onwards (both formats), so maybe some relief in sight for Colin.

For the next leg, there will be 3 and a half spinner options ; Astle, Sodhi, Patel, Chapman.
What are Pakistan pitches like these days? I haven't seen a match from there since about 2003.

Might be worth keeping Ravindra on if Blundell’s hamstring is likely to keep him out for a while.

 

[Immenso]

Might be worth keeping Ravindra on if Blundell’s hamstring is likely to keep him out for a while.

Yes.
But as Mike pointed out, I was mistaken, they are all staying for the Pakistan ODIs.