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Who was the better bowler: Glenn Mcgrath or Wasim Akram?

Who was the better bowler: Glenn Mcgrath or Wasim Akram?

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TheJediBrah

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Pap Finn Keighl said:
Lol.
This should be used against Mcgrath not against Akram.
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exemplifies the mindset of so many on here. Everything is a "weapon" to be used against some guy you've already decided you want to come out 2nd.
Very few actually go into comparisons or analyses with an open mind willing to change preconceived ideas
 
Chrish

Chrish

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Cricket is a team sport for a reason. If bowler creates a chance but fielders don’t hold on to their catches, how can a bowler be blamed?

Should fielders be held accountable for consistently dropping catches? Should they go through further training? And if they still don’t improve, should they be replaced? Answer to these questions is probably yes but that’s the job of selectors and coaches. How can you blame the bowler?

And I would add one more point, cleaning up the tail is extremely important skill that shouldn’t be underestimated. We have seen again and again in past few years in low scoring games how contribution from tail have helped team secure the games and even series. Take Pat Cummins for example. He is extremely good at troubling top order batsmen but often goes missing against tail because of lack of yorker. This definitely counts against him. Tail contribution were crucial for India to secure the series: drawing third game and wining fourth one.

So, just because a bowler has a high number of tail wickets doesn’t automatically mean he wasn’t any good against top order batsmen or he was necessarily worse.
 
TheJediBrah

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Chrish said:
So, just because a bowler has a high number of tail wickets doesn’t automatically mean he wasn’t any good against top order batsmen or he was necessarily worse.
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No but it generally does if you're comparing bowlers with similar stats, and yes while cleaning up the tail is a useful skill there's a reason "percentage of tail end wickets" is a relevant statistic when rating a bowler's value. Just because the tail wags sometimes doesn't make tail end wickets as valuable as top-order wickets.
 
Migara

Migara

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TheJediBrah said:
No but it generally does if you're comparing bowlers with similar stats, and yes while cleaning up the tail is a useful skill there's a reason "percentage of tail end wickets" is a relevant statistic when rating a bowler's value. Just because the tail wags sometimes doesn't make tail end wickets as valuable as top-order wickets.
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This only applies WPIs are roughly similar.
 
Victor Ian

Victor Ian

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Chrish said:
Should fielders be held accountable for consistently dropping catches? Should they go through further training? And if they still don’t improve, should they be replaced? Answer to these questions is probably yes but that’s the job of selectors and coaches. How can you blame the bowler?
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They kind of do, even right down to the Under Xs.

If you drop a couple in the slips, you get moved out. Drop them in the field you get moved where catches don't go. If the team has a shocker the coach would have you do some fielding practice.

So if your whole team continues to be ****, it's got to be a mental thing where they don't really care, are not actually being in a state of mind ready to take a catch every ball, and that is not something you can really chop and change players for.
 
Pap Finn Keighl

Pap Finn Keighl

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TheJediBrah said:
:laugh:
exemplifies the mindset of so many on here. Everything is a "weapon" to be used against some guy you've already decided you want to come out 2nd.
Very few actually go into comparisons or analyses with an open mind willing to change preconceived ideas
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I was implying the same.
 
honestbharani

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Victor Ian said:
They kind of do, even right down to the Under Xs.

If you drop a couple in the slips, you get moved out. Drop them in the field you get moved where catches don't go. If the team has a shocker the coach would have you do some fielding practice.

So if your whole team continues to be ****, it's got to be a mental thing where they don't really care, are not actually being in a state of mind ready to take a catch every ball, and that is not something you can really chop and change players for.
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Its easier in maybe places with a natural fitness and sports culture like Australia or NZ or SA. But in the SC till the 90s (except SL who were ahead of the curve), fitness and stuff were not pre-requisites and most guys were introduced to top class fitness programs and trainers only in their 20s, by when it is already too late. Now, I am not saying slip catching is all about fitness and athleticism but you gotta remember how many good cricketers in the SC were not good fielders. The thought process back then was to play the best batsmen and bowlers and not worry about how good/not good they were in the field. Thankfully that has slowly been changing across both India, Pak and Bangladesh.
 
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