Road to the Ashes 2021/22

[CodeOfWisden]

England need Stokes, they"ll do okay without Archer.
Anderson, Olly Stone, Ollie Richardson, Mark Wood is a good attack in Australian conditions. Moeen Ali should play too. Leach won't do any better.
Root is in the form of his life and players like Bairstow, Pope and Sibley are more suited to batting in Australian conditions.

 

[Uppercut]

Robinson is unproven here - English seamers of his sort of pace and style have tended to struggle here

Who do you have in mind here?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Robinson definitely unproven but in style he's not dissimilar to Tremlett and Hazlewood who were/are effective in Aus.

They said the same thing about Overton last time

Moeen Ali should play too.

Not watched a lot of Ashes have you

 

[theegyptian]

I think Robinson will go ok. But that's only 3 bowlers- Broad, Anderson and Robinson and I'm not sure you really want them playing in the same side in Aus.

The rest meh.

Woakes tends to be good for 1 or 2 tests a series in recent years but is increasingly injury prone and doesn't have the pace of old or the ability to bowl 20+ overs in a day regularly. He's also a happy hooker so he won't offer a whole lot with the bat to put him in front of other seamers.

Stone is sadly a rightoff in all likelihood. Too injury prone.

COverton battles hard for the side and his batting continues to improve but bowling isn't quite test level.

Mahmood's bowling continues to improve but do skiddy type bowlers have that great a record in Australia? I don't know. Is pretty consistent these days hammering just back of a length at mid 80s with a bit of movement either way. Not sure he has a test callup yet but given the injuries I'd be taking him to Australia.

Wood I don't see surviving particularly in Aus on these hard grounds. Might get a test or two out of him but Aus tend to be pretty good at playing pace bowlers who don't move the ball.

Sam Curran - Hard to see him having any impact. Doubt they even take him.



So yes I'd probably take Broad, Anderson, Robinson, Woakes, COverton, Mahmood and Wood.

 

[social]

Would be nice if we punted Langer but problems run much deeper

 

[wpdavid]

So yes I'd probably take Broad, Anderson, Robinson, Woakes, COverton, Mahmood and Wood.

I think so. And I think that Mahmood might be a fixture in the side by the start of next season.

 

[morgieb]

Yeah I'm not particularly scared by Wood. His away record is admittedly strong but our batting is stronger than WI/SA and more crucially the wickets significantly flatter. Robinson does seem somewhat more promising though - he's quickened up a bit and gets good bounce.

 

[Flem274*]

woods success seems more a quirk of fate than a solid foundation tbh. not a fan.

big fan of robinson and stone though.

 

[Immenso]

Robinson the real deal. But, most importantly, the real deal as a 3rd seamer. Those are gold. So, IMO, looking like an even better addition to the team than his already impressive stats suggest.

But, still. Bowling in Australia is hard. Also, very hard as 3rd seamer if your openers don't make a bit of an opening. And even harder if you are out bowling again 4 hours after your last stint in the field because your team can't bat, and you stay out there 8 hours+ because your cordon can't catch. So, yeah ..., as you were, England are doomed.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah Robinson and Stone look good. They'll need to bowl pretty full with mid off and mid on straight and deepish and they'll do ok at worst. They can rely on half the Aus line up missing straight ones at the best of times, let alone the mess they'll make if it actually moves around a bit.

 

[ImpatientLime]

england have more genuine pace options than any other time i can remember in my 34 years on this earth. they are just either borked/breakable or unproven/probably ****.

wood
archer
stone
all fit in category one

mahmood
garton
joverton
carse (i hear he's got wheels? didn't see him in the odis tbh)
all category 2

helm also threatened category 2 a few years back but he's another borked soldier.

 

[theegyptian]

I've seen a bit of Malan and Vince talk. Inevitably it does tend to go full circle when things are going badly and everyone else since is failing. They both did ok last time around in Aus. They've got to be tempted to bring them back. I actually thought Vince was maybe beginning to crack it when they finally did drop him.

I'd go back to Bairstow as keeper too. buttler just contimues to be mediocre. Bairstow positively impacted the games more as a wkbat than Buttler has imo.

Hameed
Burns
Vince
Root
Malan
Stokes /(Pope)
Bairstow
Robinson
Leach
Broad
Anderson

No tail but the tail never scores runs anyway in aus.


COverton will probably end up playing 3 tests because he is durable as a bowler and has showed some real toughness as a lower order batsman - a trait lacking from some of our lower order bats.
Leach probably won't play given he doesn't seem to be in favour.

 

[Blenkinsop]

england have more genuine pace options than any other time i can remember in my 34 years on this earth. they are just either borked/breakable or unproven/probably ****.

wood
archer
stone
all fit in category one

mahmood
garton
joverton
carse (i hear he's got wheels? didn't see him in the odis tbh)
all category 2

helm also threatened category 2 a few years back but he's another borked soldier.

Mahmood is quality and should definitely go to Aus. Garton has some pace but is a long way off being a Test bowler. See also Zak Chappell. Think the JOverton ship has sailed, he's not even an automatic pick at county level. Carse might do well in Aus, he's a very non English kind of pace bowler which is not surprising considering that he is not English.

Of the other leftfield contenders I like the look of Ethan Bamber. Luke Wood would be an outside chance.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I've seen a bit of Malan and Vince talk. Inevitably it does tend to go full circle when things are going badly and everyone else since is failing. They both did ok last time around in Aus. They've got to be tempted to bring them back. I actually thought Vince was maybe beginning to crack it when they finally did drop him.

I'd go back to Bairstow as keeper too. buttler just contimues to be mediocre. Bairstow positively impacted the games more as a wkbat than Buttler has imo.

Hameed
Burns
Vince
Root
Malan
Stokes /(Pope)
Bairstow
Robinson
Leach
Broad
Anderson

No tail but the tail never scores runs anyway in aus.


COverton will probably end up playing 3 tests because he is durable as a bowler and has showed some real toughness as a lower order batsman - a trait lacking from some of our lower order bats.
Leach probably won't play given he doesn't seem to be in favour.

I don't know **** about English cricket since then but I recall Malan being very solid in the last Ashes. I'd pick him.

 

[GIMH]

You had me at ‘I don’t know ****’

 

[Burgey]

I actually thought Vince was maybe beginning to crack it when they finally did drop him.

I can understand England fans being very frustrated with Vince, because when they toured here last time he looked more like a genuine test-quality bat to me than several others England has tried before and since, but then he kept getting out. Which is problematic.

And Malan had a low-key very useful Ashes last series imo, in what was a very tough series for every batsman not named Smith.

 

[GIMH]

I can understand England fans being very frustrated with Vince, because when they toured here last time he looked more like a genuine test-quality bat to me than several others England has tried before and since, but then he kept getting out. Which is problematic.

Honestly I’d go as far to say he’s looked every inch the Test bat every delivery up to the one that gets him out, problem is that comes too soon.

Compared to someone like Gary Ballance or Joe Denly who never filled you with confidence bit did grind a few runs out here and there

 

[TheJediBrah]

You had me at ‘I don’t know ****’

You know a dermatologist? Ask them how to get me out from under your skin

 

[Daemon]

You know a dermatologist? Ask them how to get me out from under your skin

This was really lame and you should feel awful for posting it

 

[TheJediBrah]

Your face is really lame and you should feel awful for showing it