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ICC Ratings

Raz0r6ack

U19 12th Man
What do people think of the ICC Ratings?

On the official website it only shows the highest peak of a player. I was able to grab the data off of https://www.relianceiccrankings.com/ and come up with the highest averages, highest amount of Tests with ratings above 700, 800 and 900 etc.

Per the ICC website:

“Ratings points have a meaning in the same way as traditional averages do. Over 900 points is a supreme achievement. Few players get there, and even fewer stay there for long. 750 plus is normally enough to put a player in the world top ten. 500 plus is a good, solid rating.”

Here are the top 30 by average and the number of Tests that players had a 900 rating or above:

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Bowling:
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The ratings are calculated per Test match, not innings.

He doesn't appear on either list but Steve Waugh for example has a low "ratings average" of 664.57 because he played so many Tests earlier in his career where his impact was minimal, which subsequently dragged his average down. Waugh had 63 Tests with a rating above 800, which is the 7th highest behind Sangakkara, Kallis, Lara, Tendulkar, Sobers and Ponting. He never broke a rating of 900 though.

I'm not sure if "ratings average" or "percentage of Tests played with rating of 700/800 or above" is a better metric to judge by or using another method. They tell different things about different players.

Anyways I thought I would share the results. I can post more results in entirety if people are interested.
 
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Raz0r6ack

U19 12th Man
Pujara > Kohli & Tendulkar. Interesting hmmm very interesting
How calculations work:

1. Runs Scored by a Batsman
This one is pretty straight forward. The amount of runs scored by a batsman in a particular match directly impacts his rating points.

2. Rating of the Opposition Bowlers
While assigning the rating points, it is not just important how many runs does a batsman score, but also how strong was the opposition’s bowling attack against which the batsman scored these runs.

An easy way to assess this is to combine the ratings of all the bowlers of the opposition team. The higher the combined ratings of the bowler, more value is assigned to the performance of the batsman.

3. Level of Runs Scoring
The “Level of Runs Scoring” sounds pretty confusing. However, it is actually quite simple.

If a batsman scores a century in low scoring match, it is considered of higher value and more rating points are assigned to it than a century scored by a batsman in a high scoring game.

For instance,
Situation A – a batsman scored a 100 but his team only managed to score 220.
Situation B – a batsman scored a 100 but his team managed to score 600 runs.


Century scored a batsman in situation A will be considered more valuable than in situation B.

4. Not Out Innings
If a batsman manages to remain not out by the end of the innings, bonus points are given for such a performance.

5. Result of the match
The outcome of the match also contributes to a player’s rating points.

If a player performs well and the outcome of the match ends in a victory for his/her team, players are given bonus points for such performances.

Furthermore, the bonus points received are higher if a good performance results in a victory against a stronger opponent (high ranked team) as compared to a victory against a weaker opponent (low ranked team).

* I've also read somewhere the calculation takes into effect at which juncture runs are scored. So if player score runs when his team was in crisis, then player gets more rating points. I'm not 100% on that though but it might explain why someone like Dravid has a higher rating then Tendulkar.
 

Raz0r6ack

U19 12th Man
Here are some examples of the bowling attacks:

England 1st Test 2005 Ashes attack - 3219 points

748 Matthew Hoggard
725 Steve Harmison
728 Andrew Flintoff
593 Ashley Giles
425 Simon Jones

West Indies 1996 Attack vs Australia - 3272 points

814 Curtly Ambrose
785 Ian Bishop
765 Courtney Walsh
646 Kenny Benjamin
262 Carl Hooper

West Indies 1983 Attack vs India (Gavaskar 236*) - 2581 points

835 Michael Holding
786 Malcolm Marshall
703 Andy Roberts
257 Winston Davis

South Africa 2013 Attack vs India - 3285 points

903 Dale Steyn
899 Vernon Philander
700 Morne Morkel
471 Jacques Kallis
312 Imran Tahir

India 2020 Attack vs Australia MCG - 2887 points

777 Ravichandran Ashwin
753 Jasprit Bumrah
715 Ravindra Jadeja
642 Umesh Yadav

Australia 2020 Attack vs India MCG - 3397 points

910 Pat Cummins
805 Josh Hazlewood
800 Mitchell Starc
722 Nathan Lyon
160 Marnus Labuschagne
 

AndrewB

International Vice-Captain
I'm not sure if "ratings average" or "percentage of Tests played with rating of 700/800 or above" is a better metric to judge by or using another method. They tell different things about different players.
As you say a player's early career has a disproportionate effect on their average rating, so I prefer to look at Tests ranked above 700/800/whatever.

This site tries to make the average fairer by taking a weighted average.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Here are some examples of the bowling attacks:

England 1st Test 2005 Ashes attack - 3219 points

748 Matthew Hoggard
725 Steve Harmison
728 Andrew Flintoff
593 Ashley Giles
425 Simon Jones

West Indies 1996 Attack vs Australia - 3272 points

814 Curtly Ambrose
785 Ian Bishop
765 Courtney Walsh
646 Kenny Benjamin
262 Carl Hooper

West Indies 1983 Attack vs India (Gavaskar 236*) - 2581 points

835 Michael Holding
786 Malcolm Marshall
703 Andy Roberts
257 Winston Davis

South Africa 2013 Attack vs India - 3285 points

903 Dale Steyn
899 Vernon Philander
700 Morne Morkel
471 Jacques Kallis
312 Imran Tahir

India 2020 Attack vs Australia MCG - 2887 points

777 Ravichandran Ashwin
753 Jasprit Bumrah
715 Ravindra Jadeja
642 Umesh Yadav

Australia 2020 Attack vs India MCG - 3397 points

910 Pat Cummins
805 Josh Hazlewood
800 Mitchell Starc
722 Nathan Lyon
160 Marnus Labuschagne
Interesting.
Here's the current World Champions' attack as of today:
3521 points
824 Tim Southee
810 Neil Wagner
738 Trent Boult
725 Kyle Jamieson
424 Colin De Grandhomme
 
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Migara

International Coach
This gives a good account of where performances has to be graded. I am for the average rating and perhaps average rating of the maximum 75% of the career too. It looks at performances, relative strength of the opposition as well as number of matches and gives ratings as a weighted running average.

Oh yes, another objective assessment of Murali is the best spinner in test history.
 

Raz0r6ack

U19 12th Man
This gives a good account of where performances has to be graded. I am for the average rating and perhaps average rating of the maximum 75% of the career too. It looks at performances, relative strength of the opposition as well as number of matches and gives ratings as a weighted running average.

Oh yes, another objective assessment of Murali is the best spinner in test history.
The ICC ratings include a system whereby batsmen only get a full rating when they have played 40 innings, and bowlers when they have taken 100 wickets. Up to this point, they get a progressively-higher percentage of a full rating. This is to prevent players from getting to the top of the rankings too quickly.

On the website that was provided earlier by AndrewB, the site calculates the full rating from the start of the career and gets a weighted average. Here were the spinners with the highest rating averages:

886.7 Bill O'Reilly
854.4 Bert Ironmonger
839.5 Bobby Peel
829.5 Clarrie Grimmett
814.6 Muttiah Muralitharan
812.5 Ravichandran Ashwin
782.9 Hedley Verity
782.8 Jim Laker
782.7 Joey Palmer
772.5 Ravindra Jadeja
771.2 Colin Blythe
765.2 Hugh Trumble
765.2 Shane Warne
752.7 Hugh Tayfield
742.4 Graeme Swann
741.7 Saeed Ajmal
735.9 Lance Gibbs
730.4 Rangana Herath
725.2 Anil Kumble
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
The ICC ratings include a system whereby batsmen only get a full rating when they have played 40 innings, and bowlers when they have taken 100 wickets. Up to this point, they get a progressively-higher percentage of a full rating. This is to prevent players from getting to the top of the rankings too quickly.

On the website that was provided earlier by AndrewB, the site calculates the full rating from the start of the career and gets a weighted average. Here were the spinners with the highest rating averages:

886.7 Bill O'Reilly
854.4 Bert Ironmonger
839.5 Bobby Peel
829.5 Clarrie Grimmett
814.6 Muttiah Muralitharan
812.5 Ravichandran Ashwin
782.9 Hedley Verity
782.8 Jim Laker
782.7 Joey Palmer
772.5 Ravindra Jadeja
771.2 Colin Blythe
765.2 Hugh Trumble
765.2 Shane Warne
752.7 Hugh Tayfield
742.4 Graeme Swann
741.7 Saeed Ajmal
735.9 Lance Gibbs
730.4 Rangana Herath
725.2 Anil Kumble
Finally, an objective proof that Jadeja > Warne. Everyone above Jadeja is probably due to a bug in the code btw.
 

Raz0r6ack

U19 12th Man
Interesting.
Here's the current World Champions' attack as of today:
3521 points
824 Tim Southee
810 Neil Wagner
738 Trent Boult
725 Kyle Jamieson
424 Colin De Grandhomme
Per career averages (top 4 bowlers)

West Indies 1980s - 3229.5
832.9 Joel Garner
829.3 Malcolm Marshall
815.4 Colin Croft
751.9 Michael Holding

Australia mid-late 2010s/2020s - 3029
864.5 Pat Cummins
801.6 Josh Hazlewood
712.4 Mitchell Starc
650.5 Nathan Lyon

India late 2010s/2020s - 2989.4
812.5 Ravichandran Ashwin
772.5 Ravindra Jadeja
731.6 Jasprit Bumrah
672.8 Mohammad Shami

Australia 2000s - 2960.5
838.0 Glenn McGrath
765.2 Shane Warne
702.0 Jason Gillespie
655.3 Brett Lee

West Indies 1990s - 2921.1
837.6 Curtly Ambrose
747.4 Courtney Walsh
724.7 Ian Bishop
619.4 Kenny Benjamin

New Zealand 2020s - 2921
750.6 Neil Wagner
738.6 Trent Boult
721.0 Kyle Jamieson
710.8 Tim Southee

South Africa 2010s - 2885.6
803.0 Vernon Philander
801.1 Dale Steyn
719.5 Morne Morkel
562.0 Jacques Kallis

England 2010s - 2808.6
751.7 James Anderson
742.4 Graeme Swann
736.1 Stuart Broad
578.4 Steven Finn
 

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