Most Underrated Cricketers in Cricket Chat

[_00_deathscar]

You are on a hard mission mate. You want to prove he isn't a home bully, and you put his performance in Pakistan, how different was Multan from his home? Point out his average in sub continent and outside sub continent, write down his performance in SENA, all his double and triple hundreds came in the sub continent, averages 20 in N. Z, 27 in England, 25 in S.A, come on...may be a little better than Dilip Vengsarkar, but still a BIG time home bully for sure.

Hardly. It’s established he was a home bully (or subcontinent bully) with a couple of exceptional knocks outside of it here and there.
It’s still ok to say “holy **** that’s an incredible record and no one in his era is even close to touching that”, especially once you account for strike rate.

 

[srbhkshk]

Hardly. It’s established he was a home bully (or subcontinent bully) with a couple of exceptional knocks outside of it here and there.
It’s still ok to say “holy **** that’s an incredible record and no one in his era is even close to touching that”, especially once you account for strike rate.

Cricket in SC does not count while deciding how good a player was.

 

[sumantra]

Hardly. It’s established he was a home bully (or subcontinent bully) with a couple of exceptional knocks outside of it here and there.
It’s still ok to say “holy **** that’s an incredible record and no one in his era is even close to touching that”, especially once you account for strike rate.

Nobody can deny the fact that he was a monster in conducive environment. But that alone can't take him far. In your earlier post, you tried to establish that he was not a home bully, and in that process suppressed and manipulated facts, that's why I commented. It's very scary for me to see him opening in so many atg sides here, specially when I look at that opposition bowling line up.

 

[Daemon]

Nobody can deny the fact that he was a monster in conducive environment. But that alone can't take him far.

But some people rate KW very highly

 

[sumantra]

But some people rate KW very highly

KW isn't a monster ?

 

[honestbharani]

Nobody can deny the fact that he was a monster in conducive environment. But that alone can't take him far. In your earlier post, you tried to establish that he was not a home bully, and in that process suppressed and manipulated facts, that's why I commented. It's very scary for me to see him opening in so many atg sides here, specially when I look at that opposition bowling line up.

I don't see anything scary at all given he might destroy them in 6 of the 11 test playing Nation's pitches.

 

[sumantra]

I don't see anything scary at all given he might destroy them in 6 of the 11 test playing Nation's pitches.

? Good if it's good enough for you.

 

[sumantra]

Surely a good choice in the Sub-continent.

 

[CricAddict]

I don't see anything scary at all given he might destroy them in 6 of the 11 test playing Nation's pitches.

8 right? Except Eng, NZ and SA, he hasn't struggled anywhere else. And Dravid and Sachin excepted, most of the other Indian batsmen have struggled there as well, just like how most players from those countries struggle in SC pitches.

 

[CricAddict]

It's very scary for me to see him opening in so many atg sides here, specially when I look at that opposition bowling line up.

It is those bowlers who need to be scary. A career strike rate of 80+ in tests is scary.

 

[andruid]

I am told that Makhaya Ntinis took more testt wickets than any other paceman in the 2000s. May have misheard it though. He doesn't get much love here though.

 

[sumantra]

8 right? Except Eng, NZ and SA, he hasn't struggled anywhere else. And Dravid and Sachin excepted, most of the other Indian batsmen have struggled there as well, just like how most players from those countries struggle in SC pitches.

Very creative indeed. 8 then huh! That includes what? Afganisthan, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe...list just goes on and on. And he only failed in S.A, Eng and N.Z ?

No need to bring Sachin-Dravid into this. Name one other Indian batsman of good reputation who averages below 30 in these 3 countries and whose combined average in these 3 countries is as bad as Sehwag's (24 I think his average will be).

Again, very good choice in sub continent and nice batting decks...struggled to handle both swing and extra bounce...thus not a good choice as an opener against a quality bowling side (except under circumstances mentioned above).

 

[_00_deathscar]

Very creative indeed. 8 then huh! That includes what? Afganisthan, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe...list just goes on and on. And he only failed in S.A, Eng and N.Z ?

No need to bring Sachin-Dravid into this. Name one other Indian batsman of good reputation who averages below 30 in these 3 countries and whose combined average in these 3 countries is as bad as Sehwag's (24 I think his average will be).

Again, very good choice in sub continent and nice batting decks...struggled to handle both swing and extra bounce...thus not a good choice as an opener against a quality bowling side (except under circumstances mentioned above).

As proven earlier, part of his poor record (England anyway) is down to the horror show of the last series when everyone's averages got slashed by like 3-4 runs. He was (clearly) well past it by that point. Had a ~40 average in England before that which isn't too bad at all, certainly when it's coming at a ~80 SR.

So during his peak years it's only really NZ and South Africa he struggled in.

Here's what is 2001-2010 looks like:
Africa: 9 tests @ 30.66
Americas: 4 tests @ 51
Asia: 57 tests @ 61.57
Oceania: 12 tests @ 44

Those "except" circumstances also include most pitches around the world though...

 

[sumantra]

As proven earlier, part of his poor record (England anyway) is down to the horror show of the last series when everyone's averages got slashed by like 3-4 runs. He was (clearly) well past it by that point. Had a ~40 average in England before that which isn't too bad at all, certainly when it's coming at a ~80 SR.

So during his peak years it's only really NZ and South Africa he struggled in.

Here's what is 2001-2010 looks like:
Africa: 9 tests @ 30.66
Americas: 4 tests @ 51
Asia: 57 tests @ 61.57
Oceania: 12 tests @ 44

Those "except" circumstances also include most pitches around the world though...

Good job, those averages now look a lot better. ??

Very innovative stuff.

 

[ankitj]

The player who generates most debate here wins the thread. I mean if everyone agrees a player is underrated then they are not really underrated.

Someone diss Ravi Jadeja plese

 

[Burgey]

Nobody can deny the fact that he was a monster in conducive environment. But that alone can't take him far. In your earlier post, you tried to establish that he was not a home bully, and in that process suppressed and manipulated facts, that's why I commented. It's very scary for me to see him opening in so many atg sides here, specially when I look at that opposition bowling line up.

 

[andruid]

McGrath with mutton chop side burns would have been epic...

 

[h_hurricane]

Joel Garner
Alan Davidson
Clyde Walcott
Everton Weekes
Vijay Hazare
Tony Greig
Dudley Nourse
Chris Cairns
Vinoo Mankad

And of course, you could rate Sir Ravindra Jadeja as highly as you can, but simply impossible to over-rate.

 

[h_hurricane]

Mcgrath's instinct to appeal for lbw on inside edges is under-rated here.

 

[Gob]

Player to whom this away record belongs to