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Euro 2020 General Discussion

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Definitely better than the 02 WC side. You slightly misremember as we only won two games, and drew another two, before being beaten by Brazil.

Injuries did for us in that one. Neville and Gerrard missed out completely, and Beckham was no way fit. As discussed elsewhere the early retirement of Shearer was also a blow.
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
Definitely better than the 02 WC side. You slightly misremember as we only won two games, and drew another two, before being beaten by Brazil.

Injuries did for us in that one. Neville and Gerrard missed out completely, and Beckham was no way fit. As discussed elsewhere the early retirement of Shearer was also a blow.
Yeah, you're right. I misremembered and thought they drew only one for some reason.

What iteration of the 2002-2006 sides do you think was the best?
 

Uppercut

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It’s harder to distinguish them looking back. The 06 team didn’t achieve much less than the others, but everything about it felt so bleak and toxic.

02 probably looks better on paper, a lot of players who weren’t as good as they’d go on to be. 04 was the tournament where they really looked like they could win it. Darius Vassell for 2004 Wayne Rooney is such a hammer blow.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Definitely better than the 02 WC side. You slightly misremember as we only won two games, and drew another two, before being beaten by Brazil.

Injuries did for us in that one. Neville and Gerrard missed out completely, and Beckham was no way fit. As discussed elsewhere the early retirement of Shearer was also a blow.
Yeah, if we'd have made more of an attempt to beat Nigeria in the final group game instead of being satisfied with the draw that put us through regardless of the Sweden/Argentina result we'd have had 2nd round and QF oppo of Senegal and Turkey instead of Denmark and Brazil.

We'd likely have still lost to Brazil in the semis, but a semifinal always feels like a minor victory in the context of our tournament history.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Yeah, if we'd have made more of an attempt to beat Nigeria in the final group game instead of being satisfied with the draw that put us through regardless of the Sweden/Argentina result we'd have had 2nd round and QF oppo of Senegal and Turkey instead of Denmark and Brazil.

We'd likely have still lost to Brazil in the semis, but a semifinal always feels like a minor victory in the context of our tournament history.
Senegal and Turkey were no slouches though. Turkey in particular. They were gun in that tournament.
 

Howe_zat

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I really loved that tournament, 12 year old me was probably me at the peak of my football following.

Almost all the pre tournament favourites went home in the group stage, Italy got sawn off in the second round and England/Brazil felt like an early final.
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
Maybe it was because I was very young but it feels to me that the top 5 or so sides of that 02-06 period seemed unusually stacked with exciting superstars. France, Brazil, Italy and Portugal had their supposed golden generations along with England on paper. Other sides like Czech Republic and Argentina had great sides as well.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Maybe it was because I was very young but it feels to me that the top 5 or so sides of that 02-06 period seemed unusually stacked with exciting superstars. France, Brazil, Italy and Portugal had their supposed golden generations along with England on paper. Other sides like Czech Republic and Argentina had great sides as well.
Despite this we didn't get tournaments of the attacking standard of the last couple.
 

Salamuddin

International Debutant
England missed a big opportunity to beat Brazil in that 02 qf IMO. Brazil played the last 30 mins with 10 men. For all the attacking brilliance of ro ri ro the centre backs of Lucio and edmilson were vulnerable. Not to mention England also took the lead in that game.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Despite this we didn't get tournaments of the attacking standard of the last couple.
Yeah, the style of football is so much better nowadays, this tournament is a High-water mark TBH. Compare how groups went when there were 3 to qualify in the past, bunch of cagey daws, keeping teams in it, now thwy look for a win that will guarantee it.

Same as I was an huge advocate a few years back of ending the away goals rule in Champions League, because teams seemed to just play for 0-0 at home, in the knockout, but now they have actually had some of the greatest football matches of all times in the knockout stages the last few years, and that's when they decide to change it.

Football is better Internationally, than it has been for some time, maybe in my lifetime.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
England missed a big opportunity to beat Brazil in that 02 qf IMO. Brazil played the last 30 mins with 10 men. For all the attacking brilliance of ro ri ro the centre backs of Lucio and edmilson were vulnerable. Not to mention England also took the lead in that game.
Think the heat did for us as much as anything, yeah we should still have one, but I seem to remember that the Semi against Brazil was going to be played in better conditions, for us, another reasom why the 0-0 against Nigeria was frustrating, bit of a bottle job though TBF.
 

Magrat Garlick

Rather Mad Witch
Despite this we didn't get tournaments of the attacking standard of the last couple.
It's the same problem as the recent years of club football has had, imo. Too many high class, well-drilled teams at that time, now it's more open which allows for flashes of brilliance (and flashes of idiocy) to decide matches
 

nick-o

State 12th Man
I was at both of those matches, Nigeria in Osaka and Brazil in Shizuoka. My abiding memory of the Brazil match was the debilitating humidity; England just ran out of steam after the Ronaldhino goal. I think the feeling at the Nigeria match was quite jubilant -- England going through and Argentina out; it didn't feel like a let-down. YIkes, that's nearly 20 years ago!
 

nick-o

State 12th Man
Sorry, this is really off topic, but this discussion has sparked so many memories.

I had a friend who had a friend who could get tickets, so the first match we went to was the Sweden match in Saitama, just north of Tokyo. As the WC began, the Japanese media was full of horror stories of English football hooligans descending on the country -- rape and pillage, etc. Hooligan, aptly, in Japanese is pronounce "fooligan." Anyway, the route from the station to the stadium was closed off, and all the shopfronts along the route were boarded up. We weren't actually caged in, but there were police everywhere and the locals were all hiding.

But by the time we went down to Osaka for the Nigeria match, Osaka is so different from Tokyo. All the kids had had their hair done in "the beckham," and as we walked through the town center kids would come up and shake our hands and cheer us on.

We couldn't get time off work for the Denmark match, but managed to get down to Shizuoka for Brazil. I remember talking to Sir Roger Moore, who was there as a special ambassador for unesco or unicef or something, and had kind of set up stall on the route to the stadium to chat with people. And after the defeat, there was a BBC film crew outside trying to get England supporters to stop and sing "Always look on the bright side of life" for them.

On the shinkansen back to Tokyo, there four or five rowdy England supporters in the same compartment as us, drinking beer. Usually on a shinkansen, staff come down the train selling drinks and snacks, but they weren't doing that with a train full of fooligans. So these guys started hassling the steward on the train, demanding beer. In Japan, sometimes in a bar or shop they'll give a customer something for free, calling it "service." So these guys started chanting "Service Beer! Service Beer!" and, dammit, the steward turned up with cans of beer for them, as service! Afterwards, I overheard them talking, and they were all Tokyo-based stockbrokers for major securities houses.

At the time, I think I was more happy that Japan won their first ever match at a World Cup, and I felt pretty much neutral at the England games, but on reflection, these are some of my happiest memories.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
The UEFA President doesn't like the multi country format and says it won't happen again under his watch (it was arranged before he became president). Obviously the discrepancy in travelling for the teams put some at a disadvantage, but as an armchair fan I rather liked it.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, I was sceptical when it was announced but I think it was a good initiative. Would have worked better in a non Covid time of course.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
It's definitely turned out better than I anticipated, but I do miss the atmosphere that's generated by a tournament being in a single nation (though to all intents and purposes for England it has been lol). Helps to give each tournament a distinct identity.
 

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