Jacques Kallis vs Rahul Dravid vs Kumar Sangakkara

[OverratedSanity]

Its job of every spinner ever. I think he has misunderstood rough with cracks. Cracks are more of luck.

See: Mitchell Starc's supposed ball of the century to Vince.

 

[Gob]

See: Mitchell Starc's supposed ball of the century to Vince.

Or this

 

[TheJediBrah]

Its job of every spinner ever. I think he has misunderstood rough with cracks. Cracks are more of luck.

Nah it's basically the same priciple. Rough is just a more dispersed and less immediate version of a crack. Migara is right, it's inherently upredictable and the result is reliant on luck.

 

[Kirkut]

Come to think of it, its weird that Ponting always looked pretty good against Murali but struggled against a far inferior off spinner. Maybe the bounce i don't know

It's mostly psychological. Ponting's first duel with Harbhajan was in 2001, that's when he was in god mode taking 33 wickets in 3 tests. Also that series kind of proved that winning in India was literally the final frontier for Aussies. He did not play any tests in 2004 in India, and next played in 2008 and 2010 when the relations between Aussie cricketers and Indian cricketers hit a trough.

So his struggles in India were mostly psychological in nature rather than having technical issues. Who knows if he played the whole series in India in 2004, he may have hammered Harbhajan Singh considering he was in the purple patch.

 

[Gob]

It's mostly psychological. Ponting's first duel with Harbhajan was in 2001, that's when he was in god mode taking 33 wickets in 3 tests. Also that series kind of proved that winning in India was literally the final frontier for Aussies. He did not play any tests in 2004 in India, and next played in 2008 and 2010 when the relations between Aussie cricketers and Indian cricketers hit a trough.

So his struggles in India were mostly psychological in nature rather than having technical issues. Who knows if he played the whole series in India in 2004, he may have hammered Harbhajan Singh considering he was in the purple patch.

Played the last test in Mumbai 04 but that is not a pitch for run scoring

He was okay in 08 and very good 10. I believe his gameplay against spin gradually increased through out his career while batting against pace really declined towards the end

 

[rtramdas]

in tests
1. Kallis - averaged a clear 3 than Dravid,has 45 100s to Dravid' 36, great record in SUBCONTINENT
2. Dravid - only 1 run separates him & Kallis in more or less equal numer of inns, brilliant over all in SENA + WI,played some clutch inns of the 3.
3. Sanga - started only from 2000(slightly easier for batting), only played some 233 inns compared to Dravid's 286 and hence could maintain a bit higher average, played far lesser number of inns in SENA + WI when compared to Dravid,average a bit inflated by playing lot more against minnows.

in ODI
1. Sanga- though only from 2000 onwards , Sanga seems slightly better to Kallis.
2. Kallis. - both Kallis & Sanga boosted their stats a bit by playing a bit deeper into 2010s when compared to Dravid.
3. Dravid in that order.

Over all
Kallis > Sanga > Dravid , again all 3 belong to the same tier ...

 

[_00_deathscar]

It's mostly psychological. Ponting's first duel with Harbhajan was in 2001, that's when he was in god mode taking 33 wickets in 3 tests. Also that series kind of proved that winning in India was literally the final frontier for Aussies. He did not play any tests in 2004 in India, and next played in 2008 and 2010 when the relations between Aussie cricketers and Indian cricketers hit a trough.

So his struggles in India were mostly psychological in nature rather than having technical issues. Who knows if he played the whole series in India in 2004, he may have hammered Harbhajan Singh considering he was in the purple patch.

So we’ve moved on from broken fingernails to “he wasn’t feeling quite right” now then…

 

[Daemon]

It's mostly psychological. Ponting's first duel with Harbhajan was in 2001, that's when he was in god mode taking 33 wickets in 3 tests.

He failed in a few other games before that series too tbf

 

[Shady Slim]

in tests
1. Kallis - averaged a clear 3 than Dravid,has 45 100s to Dravid' 36, great record in SUBCONTINENT
2. Dravid - only 1 run separates him & Kallis in more or less equal numer of inns, brilliant over all in SENA + WI,played some clutch inns of the 3.
3. Sanga - started only from 2000(slightly easier for batting), only played some 233 inns compared to Dravid's 286 and hence could maintain a bit higher average, played far lesser number of inns in SENA + WI when compared to Dravid,average a bit inflated by playing lot more against minnows.

in ODI
1. Sanga- though only from 2000 onwards , Sanga seems slightly better to Kallis.
2. Kallis. - both Kallis & Sanga boosted their stats a bit by playing a bit deeper into 2010s when compared to Dravid.
3. Dravid in that order.

Over all
Kallis > Sanga > Dravid , again all 3 belong to the same tier ...

WANGS ffs

 

[OverratedSanity]

He failed in a few other games before that series too tbf

Yep got owned by Kumble and Raju in 1998

 

[Migara]

Getting wickets from the rough is a big part of bowling spin

That is called luck.

There are two teams playing the game and bowlers from the opposite side can also create cracks/rough for Murali especially on dry Sri Lankan wickets.

I am trying to find out the left armers played by other teams during Murali's tenure. Not much I can remember. Not much overs either. Ones who bowled were similar mould to Vaas, with medium height and very gentle to the crease. Wasim and Zaheer didn't create much rough for Saqlain and Harbhajan much. Infact Kumble had help of rough more than Harbhajan. Only exceptions being Schultz and Johnson.

 

[Migara]

But taking advantage of the rough was a huge strength of bowlers like Warne and Ashwin. That is a skill too. To be able to pitch it on the rough consistently when they want to and get the ball to dismiss the batsman.

Which most finger spinners are very adept in the highest level. What happens then is like what happens a fast bowler pitches on a crack. It's far more overrated unlike a crack, because it rarely kills someone.

 

[TheJediBrah]

From what I recall Murali operated a lot around the wicket to right handers, pitching it in-line with the stumps so the rough didn't come into it

 

[Daemon]

From what I recall Murali operated a lot around the wicket to right handers, pitching it in-line with the stumps so the rough didn't come into it

Galaxy brain creating his own rough

 

[Gob]

From what I recall Murali operated a lot around the wicket to right handers, pitching it in-line with the stumps so the rough didn't come into it

That was after he developed the doosra though. Before that he mainly operated from over the wicket

 

[Migara]

That was after he developed the doosra though. Before that he mainly operated from over the wicket

He started doing this around 1999-2000 period. Having said that other than for Vaas, Zoysa, Akram and Schultz, no left arm pacer played with or against him during the time.

 

[Kirkut]

So we’ve moved on from broken fingernails to “he wasn’t feeling quite right” now then…

Didn't get it, broken finger nails?

He failed in a few other games before that series too tbf

He did face Harbhajan for the first time in tests in 1998, but that was the last test of the series so the sample size is too small. He faced him proper in 2001 and I presume he would have done well against him in 2004, as I remember Ponting nonchalantly smashing Bhajji for fours when we toured Down Under during Steve Waugh's farewell series.

 

[Gob]

Didn't get it, broken finger nails?



He did face Harbhajan for the first time in tests in 1998, but that was the last test of the series so the sample size is too small. He faced him proper in 2001 and I presume he would have done well against him in 2004, as I remember Ponting nonchalantly smashing Bhajji for fours when we toured Down Under during Steve Waugh's farewell series.

From memory, Harby didn't play in either of the games that Ponting doubled up

Not that it would have mattered much in Australia

 

[sumantra]

Among the 3 I loved watching Dravid the most. Also, in terms of significant innings in test matches he is ahead of the rest by quite some margin...fine line though, stats and all that don't really mean much here, gotta come down to individual preferences...

 

[Jayro]

Darvid = Sangakara > Kallis.