Group F - France, Germany, Hungary, Portugal

[Lillian Thomson]

VAR surely

I don't think you can blame own goals on VAR. I think there's a "dubious goals committee" that didn't exist years ago.

 

[grecian]

Ick Germany looking suspiciously good.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

wouldn't put it past Portugal to get back to 4-4, but they probably need some help from the ref

 

[grecian]

I like the stadium, they should just move the final there anyway. Obviously wouldn't be the same atmosphere without Hungary but still better than Wembley and the ordeal the government will make it to attend.

Maybe the worst idea since we did the salute in 1938, appeasing fascism is not a good idea in general, their fans are literally wearing "Black-Shirts", and Orban very much is using this as a 36 Olympics thing, not good.

 

[Furball]

Get ****ed Ronaldo, hope France send your posing preening arse home you dick.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Maybe the worst idea since we did the salute in 1938, appeasing fascism is not a good idea in general, their fans are literally wearing "Black-Shirts", and Orban very much is using this as a 36 Olympics thing, not good.

True, but they're more relaxed about the virus.

 

[Furball]

5 own goals in one tournament is comfortably a record for the Euros. Also unmatched by any world cup from before they moved to a 32-team format in 1998.

2018 world cup is miles ahead for major tournaments with 12. I wonder if there's something in the way own goals are credited now compared to years past that's making it happen.

I think so, Brian McClair famously couldn't score for Scotland despite banging them in for Motherwell, Celtic and Man Utd for years, he got his first goal at Euro 92 against the CIS which I'm sure was a shot which hit the post and went in off the back of the goalkeeper, similar to Szczesny's OG in the first game against Slovakia.

Would 100% have been counted as an own goal these days.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

This is a good benchmark for own goals in the mildly distant past. MacDonald was given both. The first one particularly generous.

 

[andruid]

Nah that was 2009 (the playoffs for the 2010 tournament)

2002 was when they came to KOR/JPN as defending world and european champions and contrived to get knocked out in the groups

Beginning a time honored tradition yet to be broken.

 

[grecian]

I remember Ian Rush going to Juventus, and being pretty annoyed about goals he would have been giving in Division 1, that he wasn't getting in Serie A, but as he famously said "I couldn't settle in Italy, it was like living in a different country"

 

[JOJOXI]

I don't think you can blame own goals on VAR. I think there's a "dubious goals committee" that didn't exist years ago.

Must have existed for recent Euros certainly has in domestic comps? But agree re VAR if anything that could lessen the number of OGs - a greater incentive to play a higher defensive line knowing that all offsides will be given.

 

[Uppercut]

That is a seriously good Hungary goal.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

generally goalkeepers are overprotected but i'm not sure awarding a penalty against Lloris for that is proportionate...

 

[Furball]

I'd like an argument as to why that isn't a red card for Lloris.

 

[Furball]

generally goalkeepers are overprotected but i'm not sure awarding a penalty against Lloris for that is proportionate...

Goalkeepers get away with a ridiculous amount. If you're coming out with your fists and punch an opponent in the head then it should be a penalty.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

if a goalkeeper is rushing out with his fists aiming for the ball - he doesn't even see Danilo until he runs into his fist - then you know what you're putting yourself in the path of

 

[Furball]

Corentin Tolisso isn't very good.

 

[Uppercut]

if a goalkeeper is rushing out with his fists aiming for the ball - he doesn't even see Danilo until he runs into his fist - then you know what you're putting yourself in the path of

I don’t really agree with your reasoning but I think Lloris gets enough of the ball to make it not a pen? I can’t really tell. If he misses it entirely it’s definitely a pen.

 

[andruid]

How much deut can a Ramdeuter ram if a Ramdeuter could ram deuts?

 

[Magrat Garlick]

that wasn't a pen either ftr