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*Official* New Zealand in England 2021

Moss

Moss

International Captain
Phew, NZ seemed out of ideas against Burns. Well played, fronted up really well in a shaky batting lineup.

Hopefully that wicket is a sign that Boult is getting his mojo back
 
Uppercut

Uppercut

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MW1304 said:
No that really happened. One of the strangest things. Hit three hundreds and I'm pretty sure they were all vital in winning games.

He did an interview after where he was like, 'I've heard people calling this Bell's Ashes, which is pretty cool' even though noone was actually using that phrase.
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I feel like the series as a whole made ~no cultural imprint, probably because it was around that time where they decided to have a new Ashes every few months.

Which is unfortunate for Bell. You'd think winning your own Ashes would at least be enough that people wouldn't say things like "**** these new batsmen are so grim we'd almost settle for another Ian Bell".
 
Moss

Moss

International Captain
Ho ho. Feel for the debutant, but he's really having a shocker of a series.

Nothing like a left handers and swinging conditions to revive Boult a bit.
 
MW1304

MW1304

Cricketer Of The Year
So really it makes no difference if our top order get skittled going for quick runs, get criticised for batting slowly on the first morning of a Test match, run each other out first ball, or whatever. We don't have a middle order so we're ****ed.
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
There obviously is a big difference between Test and county cricket but -- barring alien spin or express pace -- I wouldn't have thought that difference to be apparent within a single delivery.
 
Moss

Moss

International Captain
Uppercut said:
I feel like the series as a whole made ~no cultural imprint, probably because it was around that time where they decided to have a new Ashes every few months.

Which is unfortunate for Bell. You'd think winning your own Ashes would at least be enough that people wouldn't say things like "**** these new batsmen are so grim we'd almost settle for another Ian Bell".
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Yeah, and the Ashes which followed it that year was Johnson's Ashes, which pretty much ensured it would not be the abiding memory from 2013.

Bell did underachieve a bit either side of his golden phase (2010 to 2013) but did enough overall I thought to be remembered as a class bat.
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Uppercut said:
I feel like the series as a whole made ~no cultural imprint, probably because it was around that time where they decided to have a new Ashes every few months.

Which is unfortunate for Bell. You'd think winning your own Ashes would at least be enough that people wouldn't say things like "**** these new batsmen are so grim we'd almost settle for another Ian Bell".
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Tbh it's also because anyone who watched that series in full knew full well that those were not exactly two great teams duking it out and England mostly won 3-0 by dint of Australia being a bit **** and not being able to capitalise on the many, many opportunities they had in that series to win a game. That Lord's Test match in particular was embarrassingly low-quality all around, Swann was getting wickets with knee-high full tosses and Steve Smith got three in about five minutes.
 
J

Jack1

International Debutant
Before the first test Bracey claimed he wanted to bat top 3 in test cricket for England. I was thinking to myself make runs at 7 first and don’t talk yourself up like a big man and put pressure on yourself. Seems to have dug himself a hole. Shame Burns didn’t convert we were reliant on him to anchor needs something special from Lawrence now to be competitive
 
Red_Ink_Squid

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Uppercut said:
I feel like the series as a whole made ~no cultural imprint, probably because it was around that time where they decided to have a new Ashes every few months.

Which is unfortunate for Bell. You'd think winning your own Ashes would at least be enough that people wouldn't say things like "**** these new batsmen are so grim we'd almost settle for another Ian Bell".
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'twas actually a very good series, sadly overlooked not just because there was another Ashes a few hours later, but said subsequent series was probably the single most significant series for England in the past decade. (Johnson's brilliance, Trott's health breakdown, last England series for Flower, Pietersen and Swann (last tour for Monty as well?), debut and first century for Stokes, Finn becoming 'unselectable', general mayhem everywhere.
 
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