Wisden's Greatest ODI Players of each decade

[Burgey]

By biased I mean he’s in the argument, not Migara-level “Heres a list with Dilhara Fernando on it, he’s in the mix” rubbish

 

[Migara]

70s Richards
80s Kapil Dev
90s Tendukar
00s Murali and McGrath
10s Kohli and ABD

 

[sunilz]

Why are certain Aussie posters behaving like this ?

Do they genuinely don't rate Murali or are angry that how could Murali make the list but Warne couldn't?

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Why are certain Aussie posters behaving like this ?

Do they genuinely don't rate Murali or are angry that how could Murali make the list but Warne couldn't?

well the list is a bit india-centric and no one has really explained why

 

[Line and Length]

"Why are certain Aussie posters behaving like this ?"

Murali is a cricketer who has divided opinions worldwide but, in Australia, he is widely regarded as a chucker whose action brought about the end of a top umpire's career ... an umpire who was just doing his job according to the Laws of Cricket.

 

[cnerd123]

Fifty Years Of One-Day International Cricket

To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the first One-Day International, the 2021 edition of the Wisden Cricketers’ Almanack looks back at 50 years of ODI cricket.

wisden.com

1970s Viv Richards
1980s Kapil Dev
1990s Sachin Tendulkar
2000s Muttiah Muralitharan
2010s Virat Kohli

Thoughts?

Dev for the 80s seems a bit debatable, but the rest seems about right.

well the list is a bit india-centric and no one has really explained why

TBF Sachin, Dev and Kohli are all in contention for the ATG ODI XI, are are bound to have weight of numbers on their side given the quantity of ODI cricket India plays.

Australia have had great cricketers but with less impressive aggregates. The decade where you'd expect an Aus player to qualify is the 2000s and Murali dominated white-ball cricket in that era, almost singlehandedly keeping spin alive in the format. Plus he wasn't a dirty cheat, so there is that.

 

[TheJediBrah]

"Why are certain Aussie posters behaving like this ?"

Murali is a cricketer who has divided opinions worldwide but, in Australia, he is widely regarded as a chucker whose action brought about the end of a top umpire's career ... an umpire who was just doing his job according to the Laws of Cricket.

No one cares about the umpire lol

Murali was absolutely a horrible chucker though. Nice bloke, but threw the ball.

Also never realised how good Craig White's numbers were in that timeframe. Know he had that random mid career stretch of bowling good heat, but I thought that was only 12-18 months maximum. Strange cricketer

It was only 36 matches though

If you're looking for the player of that decade it's probably McGrath. Virtually identical record to the shot-putter with added "Led his side to two undefeated WC titles" bonus.

Easily. Also doesn't owe his stats (which are better than Murali's regardless) as much to minnow bashing.

 

[srbhkshk]

For the exercises about the greatest player of the decade, the quantity of runs and wickets matters. Kapil was 13th in top run scorers and 1st in terms of most wickets taken in the 80s.

 

[cnerd123]

Going by the numbers ol' numpty's posted, looks like RTD should have got the nod.

this but unironically

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Why are certain Aussie posters behaving like this ?

Do they genuinely don't rate Murali or are angry that how could Murali make the list but Warne couldn't?

Nobody whatsoever suggested Warne for the list, he was only drawn into the conversation by @Migara (and by extension, yourself) as a blatant strawman.

Terrible effort

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Australia have had great cricketers but with less impressive aggregates. The decade where you'd expect an Aus player to qualify is the 2000s and Murali dominated white-ball cricket in that era, almost singlehandedly keeping spin alive in the format. Plus he wasn't a dirty cheat, so there is that.

It's the version of England Test-spam tho. Not sure what more McGrath could have done in the time compared to Murali: won two World Cups, same average and same eco. And Booth doesn't even mention him!

 

[srbhkshk]

It's the version of England Test-spam tho. Not sure what more McGrath could have done in the time compared to Murali: won two World Cups, same average and same eco. And Booth doesn't even mention him!

A lot of that difference is simply because McGrath retired and Murali didn't. I don't think there's anything wrong with going with the guy who has the same stats but actually played the whole decade.

 

[cnerd123]

It's the version of England Test-spam tho. Not sure what more McGrath could have done in the time compared to Murali: won two World Cups, same average and same eco. And Booth doesn't even mention him!

Australia's success can work against McGrath tho - it is easier to post up good numbers when you're part of an ATG side. Murali didn't have quite the same quality of bowling surrounding him, nor the kind of scoreboard pressure that McGrath would often have. Makes his accomplishments with the ball seem more impressive.

And as I mentioned earlier, being a spinner in 2000s ODI cricket was a thankless task. The next 6 top leading wicket-takers in that decade are quick bowlers. Dan Vettori is the 2nd leading spinner with an average 10 runs higher and at a worse economy. The only spinner in that decade who comes close to Murali average wise is Ajantha Mendis, and no other spinner has a economy under 4, whereas Shaun Pollock had a better economy than both him and McGrath

I don't think it's necessarily the obvious selection, but it's very much justifiable, which is all that matters. And besides, Murali is Sri Lankan. Swapping him for McGrath doesn't make the list less India-centric lol.

A lot of that difference is simply because McGrath retired and Murali didn't. I don't think there's anything wrong with going with the guy who has the same stats but actually played the whole decade.

oof good point, forgot that McGrath retired in 2007. Another good reason to go for Murali then.

 

[akilana]

It's the version of England Test-spam tho. Not sure what more McGrath could have done in the time compared to Murali: won two World Cups, same average and same eco. And Booth doesn't even mention him!

Ask what McGrath could have done more and list team achievement. Murali has same average and 100 more wickets.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Mcgrath deserves a mention but implying it's a massive injustice that murali was better than him is standard CW aussie poster junk.

 

[OverratedSanity]

well the list is a bit india-centric and no one has really explained why

Viv probably was a better pick than Kapil in the 1980s too tbh. But they probably didn't want to repeat a player for two decades.

Sachin and kohli seem the obvious picks in their respective decades(although you could make a strong argument for Wasim in the 90s)

 

[Magrat Garlick]

A lot of that difference is simply because McGrath retired and Murali didn't. I don't think there's anything wrong with going with the guy who has the same stats but actually played the whole decade.

I don't disagree that it's defensible but it does feel weird when the ODI game works on World Cup-cycles, not decades.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Australia's success can work against McGrath tho - it is easier to post up good numbers when you're part of an ATG side. Murali didn't have quite the same quality of bowling surrounding him, nor the kind of scoreboard pressure that McGrath would often have. Makes his accomplishments with the ball seem more impressive.

Well Sri Lanka also had Vaas, Malinga, Mendis, Kulasekara, and Jayasuriya. They edged SA, Pakistan, and NZ to have the 2nd best ODI attack of the 2000s.

 

[akilana]

Well Sri Lanka also had Vaas, Malinga, Mendis, Kulasekara, and Jayasuriya. They edged SA, Pakistan, and NZ to have the 2nd best ODI attack of the 2000s.

Nuwan Zoyza, Dilharo Fernando,....

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Nuwan Zoyza, Dilharo Fernando,....

Exceptions support the rule. SL still had a gun bowling attack.