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Who is the greatest ODI bowler of all time?

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Best XI never/yet to win a World Cup:
Lara
QDK (wk)
Williamson (c)
Abbas
ABDV
Ten Doeschate
Klusener
Pollock
Hadlee
Bond
Saqlain

Could have Rohit for QDK and Sanga for Kane, with Shakib for RTD.
 

bagapath

International Captain
**** you XI for ODIs

Gilchrist +
Jayasuriya
Viv Richards *
De Villiers
Stokes
Klusener
Afridi
Kapil Dev
Akram
Waqar
Donald
 

Jumno

First Class Debutant
00s

Sehwag
Tendulkar
Ponting
Pieterson
Kallis
Sangakarra
Dhoni
Vettori
Steyn
Johnson
Anderson

10s

Warner
De Kock
ABDV
Kohli
Taylor
Buttler
Woakes/Stonis/Neesham
Starc
Zampa
Boult
Bumrah
 
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Jumno

First Class Debutant
World cup:

Gilchrist
Jayasuriya
Tendulkar
Viv Richards
ABDV
Bevan
Stokes/Imran Khan/Klusenar
Akram
Warne
McGrath
Donald/Garner
 

Jumno

First Class Debutant
Best XI not to win a WC:

R Sharma
QDK
Williamson
Lara
ABDV
Neesham
Hadlee
Pollock
Qadir
Ambrose
Donald
 

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
The gap between Klusener and Kapil as a batsman was far greater than the difference between them as bowlers. Much of Kapil's batting legend comes from a single innings that nobody saw against Zimbabwe.

I loved Lara's batting but Lara+Dhoni is objectively worse than Gilchrist+Bevan, especially considering that Lara opened for such a short period of his career. I want 50(54) from Gilchrist more than 60(72) from Lara when the next batsman in is Vivian ****ing Richards.
Its other way around, Gap between Kapil and Klusner bowling is bigger than the difference between their batting.
Klusner career lasted just 9 years.
Check Kapil's 10 years in 80s.. He was the best batsman of India according to icc rankings.( 27 avg 102 SR equivalent of 30+ avg at 110+ sr for Klusner's time )
And was a regular in World's top 5 or top 10 bowlers.
Kapil was 90% Pollock as a bowler + 90% Klusner as a batsman

Lara opened in 52 matches, 46 of them were before 1996. Until then Lara's Strike Rate was 72 which is 4th highest in the alltime list ( minimum 1000 runs )
For Comparison, alltime 2nd best Jayasurya was striking at 78 in that time period.
Only one opener had strike rate above 80, Sachin Tendulkar with an insane 94 sr.

Also, until 2000 only three number 3 batsmen had SR above 80, they are
Zaheer Abbas 85.7, Viv Richards 86.8 and Brian Lara 87.2
(For comparison, Ricky Ponting was 69.5)

So, you dont need to worry about Sachin - Lara duo's scoring rate.
Its 1990s Sachin without pressure of team stability + 1990s Lara with modern Opener approach
 

Flem274*

123/5
i think my odi atg bowling attack is starc, mcgrath, garner, murali, then klusener or flintoff.

i'd really like a proper #8 though. against a side of similar quality they're a huge chance of being 6 out all out.
 

Jumno

First Class Debutant
Wasim, McGrath, Donald, Garner my bowling attack with Imran as an all rounder. I'd replace Garner with Warne as a spinner option.

Then Pollock, Steyn, Ambrose, Murali 2nd XI with Hadlee as an all round bowling option.
 

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
I reckon Garner was notably better than Hadlee. There wasnt anyone notably better than Mcgrath. You have to be putting Garner in his own league to compare Hadlee favourably to the best guys from other eras. Garner as the GOAT is not at all
implausible, but I'm not sure I would buy into GOAT by some distance.
Was he really?
Garner played between 1977 and 1987
98 innings, 146wkts
18.86 avg , 3.09 ER, 36.5 SR

Hadlee between 1977 and 1987
81 innings, 121wkts
19.62 avg , 3.2 ER, 36.7 ER

similar stats, Hadlee played for an inferior team.
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
00s

Sehwag
Tendulkar
Ponting
Pieterson
Kallis
Sangakarra
Dhoni
Vettori
Steyn
Johnson
Anderson

10s

Warner
De Kock
ABDV
Kohli
Taylor
Buttler
Woakes/Stonis/Neesham
Starc
Zampa
Boult
Bumrah
Dunno why you'd have Sehwag over Gilchrist even as a batsman. You'd pick Hayden over both if you wanted Dhoni to keep (though I'd be tempted to have Gilchrist keep and Dhoni play as a pure bat). Also, Hogg over Vettori, McGrath over Anderson, Malinga over Johnson, Bracken over Steyn. And that's if you're ignoring Donald/Wasim/Waqar because they're mostly from the 90s.
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Its other way around, Gap between Kapil and Klusner bowling is bigger than the difference between their batting.
Klusner career lasted just 9 years.
Check Kapil's 10 years in 80s.. He was the best batsman of India according to icc rankings.( 27 avg 102 SR equivalent of 30+ avg at 110+ sr for Klusner's time )
And was a regular in World's top 5 or top 10 bowlers.
Kapil was 90% Pollock as a bowler + 90% Klusner as a batsman

Lara opened in 52 matches, 46 of them were before 1996. Until then Lara's Strike Rate was 72 which is 4th highest in the alltime list ( minimum 1000 runs )
For Comparison, alltime 2nd best Jayasurya was striking at 78 in that time period.
Only one opener had strike rate above 80, Sachin Tendulkar with an insane 94 sr.

Also, until 2000 only three number 3 batsmen had SR above 80, they are
Zaheer Abbas 85.7, Viv Richards 86.8 and Brian Lara 87.2
(For comparison, Ricky Ponting was 69.5)

So, you dont need to worry about Sachin - Lara duo's scoring rate.
Its 1990s Sachin without pressure of team stability + 1990s Lara with modern Opener approach
I wasn't worried about Lara's strike rate. But in an ATG side, Gilly offers more, especially when you upgrade Dhoni to Bevan. Another option is Watson to open, Symonds to slide in down the order.

Tendulkar
Watson
Richards
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni
Symonds
Wasim
Warne/Saqlain/Murali
Garner
McGrath

Looks like a very solid ATXI as well.
 

Migara

International Coach
I wasn't worried about Lara's strike rate. But in an ATG side, Gilly offers more, especially when you upgrade Dhoni to Bevan. Another option is Watson to open, Symonds to slide in down the order.

Tendulkar
Watson
Richards
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni
Symonds
Wasim
Warne/Saqlain/Murali
Garner
McGrath

Looks like a very solid ATXI as well.
:laugh:
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Imo:

1. Gilchrist
2. Watson
3. Richards
4. Ponting
5. Bevan
6. Symonds
7. Hussey
8. Starc
9. Warne
10. Bracken
11. McGrath

Though I guess with slightly different parameters you could go:

1. Sachin
2. Jayasuriya
3. Richards
4. Kohli
5. Sangakkara
6. Dhoni
7. Imran
8. Dev
9. Wasim
10. Murali
11. Bumrah
 

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
I wasn't worried about Lara's strike rate. But in an ATG side, Gilly offers more, especially when you upgrade Dhoni to Bevan. Another option is Watson to open, Symonds to slide in down the order.

Tendulkar
Watson
Richards
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni
Symonds
Wasim
Warne/Saqlain/Murali
Garner
McGrath

Looks like a very solid ATXI as well.
How is Bevan an upgrade to Dhoni? Dhoni is more versatile, can bat everywhere and can bat in different modes.
Dhoni can replace Bevan / Gilchrist / Ponting in batting alone.
I prefer Kohli or Lara to be the slowest scorer in the line up. Bevan is much slower than them.
 

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