*Official* Australia in New Zealand T20s 2021

[Bahnz]

I would add that not only did Sodhi bowl crap line and length, his bowling was aggressively bad from a technical standpoint with little in the way of a recognisable legbreak, googly, slider etc

Again, this may all be part of why it works

Don't forget the flipper - he's now got 4 different variations of full tosses.

 

[Immenso]

Spicy take - Jamieson was also advised to bowl wide and full to Finch in the 20th over game 4, did exactly that, and got pumped over cover for 6

You also have to look at Williamson/coaches there too surely, as it’s gotta be a deliberate and probably wrong plan

No boundary over on the offside for that over (maybe long-off), all the man were deep on the leg.

So, all protection on the leg.

Surely not the plan. A plan to bowl wide yorkers would only be implemented if you have stacked offside protection?

But it was all so accurately wide and full .... hmmm

 

[SteveNZ]

With pace on, yeah probably was a plan that went wrong. Although potentially the plan was yorker length and 5th/6th stump, and he executed poorly - he bowled that later in the over, and his lengths were very inconsistent. No changes of pace either, pretty predictable.

 

[thierry henry]

No boundary over on the offside for that over (maybe long-off), all the man were deep on the leg.

So, all protection on the leg.

Surely not the plan. A plan to bowl wide yorkers would only be implemented if you have stacked offside protection?

But it was all so accurately wide and full .... hmmm

Fair enough. He started the over with what seemed like such obvious attempts at wide line yorkers. Guess it could possibly have just been massively erratic bowling.

 

[thierry henry]

With pace on, yeah probably was a plan that went wrong. Although potentially the plan was yorker length and 5th/6th stump, and he executed poorly - he bowled that later in the over, and his lengths were very inconsistent. No changes of pace either, pretty predictable.

imo slow and into the pitch was the obvious ploy, but then that would fly in the face of your preference for yorkers...

 

[SteveNZ]

No boundary over on the offside for that over (maybe long-off), all the man were deep on the leg.

So, all protection on the leg.

Surely not the plan. A plan to bowl wide yorkers would only be implemented if you have stacked offside protection?

But it was all so accurately wide and full .... hmmm

First two went over cover. If the field was predominantly leg side, surely he was trying to bowl 4th 5th stump and full. Just got it horribly wrong

 

[SteveNZ]

imo slow and into the pitch was the obvious ploy, but then that would fly in the face of your preference for yorkers...

From what I saw of that pitch, the seamers bowling slower balls had to make sure they weren't too slow, because they were sticking in the deck and sitting up. Slower ball bouncers etc might've been sitting ducks. I saw nothing that indicated to me that yorkers weren't the play, because even low full tosses and HVs were quite often being drilled to fielders if the field was set right.

I hate the argument that it's a hard ball to bowl. I've heard bowling coaches say that. Anything's hard unless you practice it enough. I remember Southee bowling 6 pitch perfect ones in a row in a T20 super over to Australia a few years back. I saw very few scoops/laps in this series, so if you hit your yorker or nigh-on did (Boult did it perfectly in the third T20 when Australia were racing away) then you generally weren't punished. Length balls were more likely to fly. But then again, I'm of the belief that people bowl more length now because 4-40 off 4 looks better to IPL teams than 0-30 off 4.

 

[thundaboult]

Is that caketin pitch typical of a modern Indian T20 pitch? (if there is such a thing?). Or is an Indian pitch being slow and taking turn a cliche that doesn't really apply to a pitch only used for 40 overs?

I don't follow IPL, but I recall we had 3 spinners in the paying X1 last World 20 in India (2016ish?) and they did well.

So, probably a good dress rehearsal. Eventual reshuffle that a Chapman, or someone who can bowl at least 2 overs of spin will eventually be in the playing XI.

Also IIRC, in 2016 our batsmen were so crap v spin and Baz had just retired that we eventually promoted Kane to open and he was a bit of a one man show in the slow and turning conditions. So promotion of Conway over Seiffert was probably inevitable. Better now than approximately match 3 of the world cup.

Or ... it was just a 40 over bash and anything could have happened if catches went to hand etc etc .... and reading too much into it .....

Surely this isn't accurate.....I remember guptill being our best batter in that tourney while kane didn't do much of anything actually

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Surely this isn't accurate.....I remember guptill being our best batter in that tourney while kane didn't do much of anything actually

Yeah, just checked.

Guptill averaged 35, Williamson 24 (about the same as Munro and Taylor, but at a lower strike rate). Santner and Sodhi with 10 wickets each were NZ's most influential players. I remember those two and N McCullum spinning a web around India.

 

[Flem274*]

nathan mccullum is in the discussion for nz's best t20 bowler of all time (tho the answer is ferguson).

which just goes to show how different the format is from even odis really. accurate bowler and even a more useful odi player than the stats show (no issues with him being vettori's #2) but he wasn't a good spinner in the traditional sense.

 

[Athlai]

nathan mccullum is in the discussion for nz's best t20 bowler of all time (tho the answer is ferguson).

which just goes to show how different the format is from even odis really. accurate bowler and even a more useful odi player than the stats show (no issues with him being vettori's #2) but he wasn't a good spinner in the traditional sense.

Santner is better than NcCullum and it isn't even close.

 

[SteveNZ]

Santner is better than NcCullum and it isn't even close.

Course it is, NcCullum's T20 record is exemplary. But Santner is probably better

 

[Athlai]

Course it is, NcCullum's T20 record is exemplary. But Santner is probably better

Santa has a better record too, takes more wickets. Economy is near NcCullum despite playing in a higher scoring era. I'd have time for Sodhi vs NcCullum but Santa all the way. Vettori is the true answer but he didn't play much

 

[Flem274*]

Santner is better than NcCullum and it isn't even close.

in t20s it's very close

 

[Athlai]

in t20s it's very close

Not as close as NcCullum's record suggests on paper. He played a lot more minnows (ie Zimbabwe) Still has a great record but Santa is upper echelon T20I bowlers.

 

[Flem274*]

Not as close as NcCullum's record suggests on paper. He played a lot more minnows (ie Zimbabwe) Still has a great record but Santa is upper echelon T20I bowlers.

minnows argument doesn't really come into it when nccullum was a threat to everyone. he was such a meme we had aussie the poster insisting we should pick him for test cricket after he ran amok against india.

the best nz t20 bowlers are (this is not an order tho i put ferguson and vettori 1 and 2) ferguson, boult, vettori, milne, santa, sodhi and nccullum. bit of a gap to the rest.

i guess it says something about the format that i kinda expect sodhi in particular to just get cancelled in some wc or series where it all stops working. i agree with the previous poster that he hasn't been bowling traditionally well for a very long time now. we need to look elsewhere for the 2023 odi wc.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Geez, he definitely wasn't a good ODI player though.

 

[Athlai]

Giving Boult all the credit in the world when he's been poor for years is itstl

 

[Flem274*]

has he? i don't remember too much bad

 

[Athlai]

has he? i don't remember too much bad

Just hasn't had a proper good T20 spell since 2017-2018 imo. We'd be a lot stronger if he could be relied on to bowl as well in the death as he did in 2015-then