2020/21 New Zealand Domestic Season

[SteveNZ]

Another god awful T20 dismissal from Finn Allen.

Looks like it swung to be fair, leading edge trying to flick one he thought was on leg stump. But that is why I advocated for him not being picked yet, he's got no clue what his game is at FC level. Glenn Phillips another prime example, picked too early and had no idea how to score runs at international level. Allen probably came into the first Ford Trophy game thinking he was invincible - and that's not a criticism of him at all, just it would have been hard not to get a big head and think the game is easy. This game will take you down pretty quickly when you're in that sort of head space.

 

[thundaboult]

loving the pace stocks in this nd v wel match, fisher kuggs and sears

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Slow bowlers doing the damage though! Another ugly win for Wellington. Auckland move into the all-important third spot with a bonus point and superior NRR though.

Auckland have two games vs Canterbury to go, Wellington two games vs Otago. Otago actually looking to have quite a decent side in this format now, knocking top of the table Canterbury off today. Think my money’s on Auckland getting through.

 

[nzfan]

Troy Johnson the new captain in Ford trophy for Wellington has two wins in two games. Wonder why Bracewell gave up on captaincy though?

 

[nzfan]

Looks like it swung to be fair, leading edge trying to flick one he thought was on leg stump. But that is why I advocated for him not being picked yet, he's got no clue what his game is at FC level. Glenn Phillips another prime example, picked too early and had no idea how to score runs at international level. Allen probably came into the first Ford Trophy game thinking he was invincible - and that's not a criticism of him at all, just it would have been hard not to get a big head and think the game is easy. This game will take you down pretty quickly when you're in that sort of head space.

You can't equate his ford trophy form to super smash. He was unbelievable in super smash. In ford trophy the dynamics change a bit. You can attack lot more as a bowler, don't have to bowl change ups and the best bowlers bowl 4-5 overs in the powerplay. His game has to change quite a bit for ford trophy. Looks like he's getting out looking for boundary option. He'll learn and work on gapping the balls rather than trying to manufacture shots ever over. If you have played a certain way and been successful it's quite hard to change in couple of weeks time I suppose. It'll take one reasonable knock from him and he'll have a template from then on. Ford trophy form should not be held against his exploits in t20s though.

Besides Basin deck is a bit slower and assisting spin now. Unlike during the t20s where there was good bounce and pace. Probably doesn't have skills enough for a slow deck yet. He will learn, just takes couple of failures to work out how to go about.

 

[nzfan]

Awesome achievement to beat the ND in two games in a row though. They were at the top of the table before this round. Firebirds missing quite a few players right now but have done really well to win the last couple of games. It has not been easy but guys have chipped in quite nicely. Johnson, Fraser, Bracewell, Bhula, Newton etc have all done reasonably well.

What's up with Ross? He's barely scored at domestic level.

 

[Immenso]

Looking up Briggs in the archive as had not previously heard of him. Current ListA average of exactly 100.00.

Played U17's for Auckland one year, and 2 years for Auckland U19s. Never stood out at all batting-wise according to the numbers. Averaged 20 in U17s, and 1 year in U19 averaged 8 and next year averaged 13.
(But these are like 7 to 5 old. 2013/14 to 2015/16).

But he is a wicket keeper.

Has played 10 games for Auckland A in the last 12 months.

 

[Immenso]

The new Auckland additions Briggs and Morrison also both South African born, of course.

In the 11 who played last match, 6 are South African born. (2 x O'Donnells, Briggs, Morrison, Beghin, Delport).
No Phillips or Munro.

 

[SteveNZ]

You can't equate his ford trophy form to super smash. He was unbelievable in super smash. In ford trophy the dynamics change a bit. You can attack lot more as a bowler, don't have to bowl change ups and the best bowlers bowl 4-5 overs in the powerplay. His game has to change quite a bit for ford trophy. Looks like he's getting out looking for boundary option. He'll learn and work on gapping the balls rather than trying to manufacture shots ever over. If you have played a certain way and been successful it's quite hard to change in couple of weeks time I suppose. It'll take one reasonable knock from him and he'll have a template from then on. Ford trophy form should not be held against his exploits in t20s though.

Besides Basin deck is a bit slower and assisting spin now. Unlike during the t20s where there was good bounce and pace. Probably doesn't have skills enough for a slow deck yet. He will learn, just takes couple of failures to work out how to go about.

Yeah I wasn't necessarily equating it, I'm just saying that he doesn't know his game yet. Yes he came off in quite a few T20 games but I'd like him to get much more appreciation of what his game is before he plays for NZ. And that's what you're saying by the looks too.

 

[SteveNZ]

The new Auckland additions Briggs and Morrison also both South African born, of course.

In the 11 who played last match, 6 are South African born. (2 x O'Donnells, Briggs, Morrison, Beghin, Delport).
No Phillips or Munro.

I find it amazing that we've had an absolute conveyor belt of SA-born and sometimes raised cricketers, but there hasn't been any rugby players - bar Greg Rawlinson (who moved as an adult).

 

[jcas0167]

Wellington have had Reg Goodes and Wes Hoosen, although they definitely aren't as prevalent as they are in cricket.

 

[nzfan]

Firebirds lost despite scoring 340 runs today. 682 runs scored still with one over to spare. When did basin get so flat?

Aces got absolutely smashed. Lost by 216 runs... wow. Will Willams strikes Aces. Nicholls with a good hundred. Back playing again both Latham and Nicholls.

CD got there easily, Taylor finally scoring some runs. Doesn't look like he takes domestic games all that serious.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

And Otago leapfrog Auckland and Wellington into the all-important third spot! Very interesting final round on Sunday with all those sides still in contention.

The Basin pitch definitely very different from the one the two ND games were played on.

 

[jcas0167]

Looks like a good performance by Rance. Not sure whether he was injured during the Super Smash.

That is an incredible chase at the Basin. Otago's triumvirate of ex-Black Caps, Rutherford, Broom and Kitchen really delivered. No Sears for Wellington.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Looks like a good performance by Rance. Not sure whether he was injured during the Super Smash.

Yeah he was ... calf. Not sure if he recovered as the tournament went on and couldn’t make the team, but was definitely injured to begin with.

 

[nzfan]

Looks like a good performance by Rance. Not sure whether he was injured during the Super Smash.

That is an incredible chase at the Basin. Otago's triumvirate of ex-Black Caps, Rutherford, Broom and Kitchen really delivered. No Sears for Wellington.

Sears out with an injury again..

 

[thundaboult]

Sears needs to definitely fill out a bit and get his strength up, don't care what anyone says about "oh lifting weights isn't important for fast bowling". Clearly his present day body/frame can't absorb all that impact. He doesn't need to become mr olypmia, but do something ffs. His durability is heading straight towards adam milne territory. Look at Kuggs and Ferg, a bit of work and muscle mass/strength gain does wonders to keep you on the park. Its not something that will up his speed, but make sure he can keep that speed up for longer, injury-free.

 

[thundaboult]

finn allen is forever stuck in t20 mode but he did make these runs yesterday with a new bat right? got over that "lucky ol bat" superstition?

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Sears needs to definitely fill out a bit and get his strength up, don't care what anyone says about "oh lifting weights isn't important for fast bowling". Clearly his present day body/frame can't absorb all that impact. He doesn't need to become mr olypmia, but do something ffs. His durability is heading straight towards adam milne territory. Look at Kuggs and Ferg, a bit of work and muscle mass/strength gain does wonders to keep you on the park. Its not something that will up his speed, but makes sure he can keep that speed up for longer injury-free.

Sometimes weights does make a big difference in a fast bowler, it did for Shane Bond according to his book. It was when he returned from some intense police training that he really found his pace.

With Sears I think they’re just taking a cautious approach though, as far is I know he hasn’t had any very serious injuries this season?

 

[Flem274*]

sears is fine. getting injured is what bowlers under 25 do, and after that you find out your body can either handle it or it can't.

ferguson and kuggs aren't even close to big dudes either. it's always the rambo bowlers like bennett and watson who are most injury prone. skinny whippets like anderson and martin are invincible.

sears is also quite young. guys his height are often gangly praying mantises in their early 20s, even non-contact sport athletes.