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*Official* 2nd Test at the MA Chidambaram Stadium, Chennai, 13 - 17 Feb 2021

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Deleted member 38150

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When Kohli rightfully gets banned for being a moron, Rahane makes this team as a speIcialist captain.
I absolutely second this.. Just take this guys a "specialist" captain. A calm sound mind making adept bowling changes and keepin the team in play in 5 day match is no mean task.. He pulled off a miracle in Aus after the adelaide debacle. I will just keep him in the team as captain (if BCCI will every allow that, hey I can dream) :)
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
I really place no stock in this historical anachronism about how we should show ultimate deference to the guys responsible for holding hats and giving LBWs but Kohli was really pushing it. I think he thought he could get away with more because the umpires were Indian and BCCI are always going to back him over the umpires. And I think that's what left a bad taste in my mouth - it seemed intimidatory. I think if the umpires were neutral, I would be much more willing to dismiss it. Deserves a ban IMO.

He was also getting irate with the umpire when he clearly ran onto the pitch (even though it may not be on purpose) and they (rightly) gave him a warning for it. I think a one match ban is not unreasonable
I don't want the ban to occur because I am biased, he is still our best batsman by miles and the next 2 tests are super crucial. Having said that, he behaving like an absolute **** after losing that Root review. Embarrassing.
 
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Can some one explain why Sam curran is not in Eng test team?
He played so well against Ind in the last Indian tour to Eng and was actually phenomenal..
The guys is so abundently talented, I remember he got kohli out when kohli survived the on slaught from broad/anderson/wokes etc and was looking well set for a big 100 chasing a target IIRC.. Made some very useful contributions with bat as well. In fact kohli specifically praised him at the end of the tour..

Why such a big match winner not getting a change in Eng team? His cutters could have been very useful here.. And in general Ind batsmen struggle a bit against left arm pace bowlers.. Has the talent to make 50s down the order.. What more you want?

IMHO If he played for any other country, he would have cemented his place by now..
 
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and sam curran also missed two home tests

csk's baby boy

i guarantee you he'd gotten the biggest cheer ever among all eng players
Absolutely, he played very well for CSK in such a woeful season for the team..
He could be great match winner in the coming seasons..
 
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And in the few matches I have watched, David Malan was phenomenal as well. Mighty hitter..
How come he is still not picked in an IPL team (unless he opted out) is surprising to say the least..
How I wish CSK takes him and opens with him and Rutraj in the next IPL..
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Can some one explain why Sam curran is not in Eng test team?
He played so well against Ind in the last Indian tour to Eng and was actually phenomenal..
The guys is so abundently talented, I remember he got kohli out when kohli survived the on slaught from broad/anderson/wokes etc and was looking well set for a big 100 chasing a target IIRC.. Made some very useful contributions with bat as well. In fact kohli specifically praised him at the end of the tour..

Why such a big match winner not getting a change in Eng team? His cutters could have been very useful here.. And in general Ind batsmen struggle a bit against left arm pace bowlers.. Has the talent to make 50s down the order.. What more you want?

IMHO If he played for any other country, he would have cemented his place by now..
He played both games in Sri Lanka but along with Wood and Bairstow was rested for first two Tests in India.

Truthfully I don't think he's good enough yet to be more than a back up to the Test side, no matter how good he was against India last time. I hope he breaks through in T20is this year though.
 

Chrish

International Debutant
I really place no stock in this historical anachronism about how we should show ultimate deference to the guys responsible for holding hats and giving LBWs but Kohli was really pushing it. I think he thought he could get away with more because the umpires were Indian and BCCI are always going to back him over the umpires. And I think that's what left a bad taste in my mouth - it seemed intimidatory. I think if the umpires were neutral, I would be much more willing to dismiss it. Deserves a ban IMO.

He was also getting irate with the umpire when he clearly ran onto the pitch (even though it may not be on purpose) and they (rightly) gave him a warning for it. I think a one match ban is not unreasonable
And he shouldn’t complain given both Rahane and Rohit decisions going India’s way in the first inning. Should just accept it as a payback and move on.
 

Bijed

International Regular
He played both games in Sri Lanka but along with Wood and Bairstow was rested for first two Tests in India.

Truthfully I don't think he's good enough yet to be more than a back up to the Test side, no matter how good he was against India last time. I hope he breaks through in T20is this year though.
Yeah that home India series is the only time I can recall that he's consistently influenced matches across a series. He's played some useful and important knocks since then, but in all honesty his overall output has been (imo) disappointing given that he's selected largely for his batting and I think Howe_zat summed up his bowling pretty well when he was doing commentary over the summer - Curran had figures of 2/45 or something along those lines and Howe said most England fans are probably pretty pleased with that - he just doesn't bowl *that* much and take that many wickets and for this reason although his home bowling average (23.56) looks great, it flatters his bowling's actual impact a bit. It's not the worst thing ever as Stokes' existence kinda makes up for the lower amount of bowling he does. I know you could argue that he'd take more wickets if he was given more overs to bowl and this is obviously true, but imo there's a reason he isn't given more overs and I think his average would blow out a bit if he was.

The other issue, although rotation policies might change this a bit, is that he's probably ususally going to be competing for a spot with Chris Woakes. The two of them are similar in that they have good home records but are questionable picks overseas and Woakes is just straight up better imo - a bit less x-factor with the bat, I guess, but I'd consider him more reliable and he's just a more valuable bowler. I know we've done Woakes at 7, Curran at 8 before but that's not something I like to see unless we have a wicketkeeper who is a test-standard #6. Bairstow and Buttler have both had phases where they were, but I think expecting either of them to do that long-term would be unrealistic. I guess we don't know about Foakes yet in this regard, but really it should only be a question when Stokes isn't available/can't bowl.

Anyway, that went on a bit haha but oh well
 

BSM

U19 Cricketer
Can some one explain why Sam curran is not in Eng test team?
He played so well against Ind in the last Indian tour to Eng and was actually phenomenal..
The guys is so abundently talented, I remember he got kohli out when kohli survived the on slaught from broad/anderson/wokes etc and was looking well set for a big 100 chasing a target IIRC.. Made some very useful contributions with bat as well. In fact kohli specifically praised him at the end of the tour..

Why such a big match winner not getting a change in Eng team? His cutters could have been very useful here.. And in general Ind batsmen struggle a bit against left arm pace bowlers.. Has the talent to make 50s down the order.. What more you want?

IMHO If he played for any other country, he would have cemented his place by now..
Literally anyone who has watched England test matches in the last year or so would be able to tell you why he isn't there lol.
 

BSM

U19 Cricketer
This test match is basically the reverse of the Lords one in 2018 in which India got bundled out twice in swinging conditions. Both matches have involved poor batting in generally unfavourable conditions from the touring side against home bowlers experienced in utilising their respective conditions. Like India did in that series, I suspect that England will improve in the remaining matches. A decent break between this one and the next will ensure that they can address some of the glaring issues, but being 1-1 after two tests in Chennai is still a very decent position. I don't have any qualms about this pitch, but I can't imagine the next one will turn as much as it has, and from so early on. Even if it is prepared in the same way, isn't the pink ball less conducive to spin bowling? Could be wrong on that assumption but I think the seamers on both sides will have a larger part to play.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah that home India series is the only time I can recall that he's consistently influenced matches across a series. He's played some useful and important knocks since then, but in all honesty his overall output has been (imo) disappointing given that he's selected largely for his batting and I think Howe_zat summed up his bowling pretty well when he was doing commentary over the summer - Curran had figures of 2/45 or something along those lines and Howe said most England fans are probably pretty pleased with that - he just doesn't bowl *that* much and take that many wickets and for this reason although his home bowling average (23.56) looks great, it flatters his bowling's actual impact a bit. It's not the worst thing ever as Stokes' existence kinda makes up for the lower amount of bowling he does. I know you could argue that he'd take more wickets if he was given more overs to bowl and this is obviously true, but imo there's a reason he isn't given more overs and I think his average would blow out a bit if he was.

The other issue, although rotation policies might change this a bit, is that he's probably ususally going to be competing for a spot with Chris Woakes. The two of them are similar in that they have good home records but are questionable picks overseas and Woakes is just straight up better imo - a bit less x-factor with the bat, I guess, but I'd consider him more reliable and he's just a more valuable bowler. I know we've done Woakes at 7, Curran at 8 before but that's not something I like to see unless we have a wicketkeeper who is a test-standard #6. Bairstow and Buttler have both had phases where they were, but I think expecting either of them to do that long-term would be unrealistic. I guess we don't know about Foakes yet in this regard, but really it should only be a question when Stokes isn't available/can't bowl.

Anyway, that went on a bit haha but oh well
The only thing I would add is that Woakes overtook Curran with his performances in the home tests of 2020. Prior to then, it was a much closer call between the two of them; similar test statistics, Woakes with the superior domestic record, but Curran had made several impact contributions in test matches. But Woakes had much the better summer against WI and Pakistan and will normally be picked now unless we're playing two spinners. iirc Curran only played ahead of Woakes in SL because Woakes was isolating due to covid-related reasons.
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah I do fear for England a bit, but the day/night test will allow them to maintain parity with India imo. I think Woakes will come into the side, and potentially Wood or maybe Archer. They have enough bowling fire-power to remain in the series I think
 

Niall

International Coach
Hard to see England recovering from this. A few scars I am sure will be opened for the rest of the series.
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India bounced back fine v Australia after 36 all out.

Also plenty of examples in England where both sides have recovered from batterings to win the next test.

The next test is a day nighter which will put some pep in England step and a rested Anderson will make a serious difference.

India are favs to win the series, but won't be a procession, England are not Sri Lanka!
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I'm surprised no-one has dug up my several posts in the last week that were absolutely savage on the idea that Ashwin's batting was still good enough to bat 7. Especially since I was a total condescending dick to centurymaker about it (admittedly he was making annoying cliche arguments, but all the same).

We don't have the "taaaaaaaaste it" culture here we once used to.
 

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