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Border-Gavaskar Trophy all time XI

stephen

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Move Laxman to 3 because 281 occured at 3.
And Sachin to 4 ( his favourite position )
Cummins over Gillespie.
Gillespie apart from 2004 series in IND wasn't the standout quick in any B-G series iirc ( Haven't checked stats just remembering how they played)
You give your best batsman their favourite position so Smith bats 4. This was Smith's worst BG trophy and he only averaged 44 so it's difficult to remember that he's hit 8 hundreds in 14 tests at an average of 73, including 3 hundreds averaging 60 in India.

So Tendulkar can get shoved down to 6 where he belongs.
 

OverratedSanity

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Quite right vcs none of the runs made in the 2014 series should count. In fact considering they were made against a popgun attack that was yet to mature into the force it is these days, its embarassing that they even get a mention here. Disgraceful decks. Terrible series etc

Remove that and he averages 54. Respectable but nothing mind blowing and certainly not good enough to move Sachin out of position.
 
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Teja.

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Quite right vcs none of the runs made in the 2014 series should count. In fact considering they were made against a popgun attack that was yet to mature into the force it is these days, its embarassing that they even get a mention here. Disgraceful decks. Terrible series etc

Remove that and he averages 54. Respectable but nothing mind blowing and certainly not good enough to move Sachin out of position.
Also makes Lolhi's batting average drop below 50. Agreed.
 

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Would recommend that ashwin video to non-Indians too, good that he's started adding subtitles now. They seem to not like Paine that much lmao but their respect for Cummins and Hazelwood is obvious in every video they've put out so far.

edit: I sparked :(
 

honestbharani

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The best part is he says he and Vihari realized that the Aussies had given up the moment Paine started his sledging. Also very interesting is how Shardul did not deliver any of the messages from the coaching staff and instead just told them to continue playing as they were, as they were doing great. And Ash also pointed out that maybe the Aussies thought they were not rotating strike due to Vihari's injury but in reality they were also playing at the most comfortable end, for each batsman. And lastly, Ash also points out that with his bad back, had they made him stretch forward to the seamers, he would have struggled but them bowling short and hitting him made them think they can injure him out anyways and that played into their hands.
 

honestbharani

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The funniest part was when Ashwin said "when I told my wife families aren't allowed on the tour, she said 'OK, then I'll find a new guy to marry'". :lol: He said it in a deadpan way which was very funny.
His wife is extremely funny on social media too. They will make a great pair doing some kind of stand up act or routine, or even hosting some show, I think. The only ones I think who are similar are perhaps Sehwag and his wife but I think Viru is much funnier than Aarti. Here, I think its a dead heat between Ashwin and Prithi.
 

centurymaker

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Without SCG performances (in brackets overall average for tour)
Tests : 20.2 (44)
ODIs : 7.00 (73)
T20S : 12.00 (27)

Wow.
Even in India I remember he was dropped numerous times and beaten literally sooooo many times. He had given up on playing for the spin. (for example against Jadeja, would just play for the ball coming in straight, and not bother with normal left arm spinning deliveries. Leave his bat out and hope the ball goes past the edge. It was another hacksy ploy but it required significant luck to go his way.

So unlike what stats would have you believe, not someone who actually mastered spin in India!
 

Senile Sentry

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Even in India I remember he was dropped numerous times and beaten literally sooooo many times. He had given up on playing for the spin. (for example against Jadeja, would just play for the ball coming in straight, and not bother with normal left arm spinning deliveries. Leave his bat out and hope the ball goes past the edge. It was another hacksy ploy but it required significant luck to go his way.

So unlike what stats would have you believe, not someone who actually mastered spin in India!
Hmm I'd give another tour to be sure of that. He made so many runs last series so that must be some damn luck.
 

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Even in India I remember he was dropped numerous times and beaten literally sooooo many times. He had given up on playing for the spin. (for example against Jadeja, would just play for the ball coming in straight, and not bother with normal left arm spinning deliveries. Leave his bat out and hope the ball goes past the edge. It was another hacksy ploy but it required significant luck to go his way.

So unlike what stats would have you believe, not someone who actually mastered spin in India!
Yeah lets not take the trolling too far now, he was incredible in that series.
 

honestbharani

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Even in India I remember he was dropped numerous times and beaten literally sooooo many times. He had given up on playing for the spin. (for example against Jadeja, would just play for the ball coming in straight, and not bother with normal left arm spinning deliveries. Leave his bat out and hope the ball goes past the edge. It was another hacksy ploy but it required significant luck to go his way.

So unlike what stats would have you believe, not someone who actually mastered spin in India!
TBF, that is still a strategy to play spin in India. And Smith also kept his bat close to the pad so the chances of the edge were as minimal as he could make them to be Very similar to how Pujara plays the seamers in Australia. He was very lucky in Pune and his other 100s did come in much friendlier batting conditions (perhaps the best batting conditions of the respective tests) but he had a very good strategy to play spin and I think the others tried to follow him as best as they could too. I remember how long it took Ash to get Warner in the first test, coz he was playing with a similar strategy. There would be entire overs he would get beaten but he was there and ultimately put enough runs on the board.
 

stephen

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Yeah the tactic used by Smith and attempted by the rest was to never be beaten on the inside edge and never chase balls. It kinda paid off.

What was his batting average in Sydney Vs outside of Sydney in the entire tour, including the LO games?
Hate to break it to you but Sachin averaged 35 in Australia outside the SCG, over 15 tests in 5 tours. The SCG brings his average up to 53 in Australia, given he scored half his centuries there. In fact, in most of those tours the SCG test was a dead rubber.

Or to put it slightly differently, Smith scored as many tests in India in a single tour as Sachin did away from the SCG in 5 tours.
 
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honestbharani

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Yeah the tactic used by Smith and attempted by the rest was to never be beaten on the inside edge and never chase balls. It kinda paid off.



Hate to break it to you but Sachin averaged 35 in Australia outside the SCG, over 15 tests in 5 tours. The SCG brings his average up to 53 in Australia, given he scored half his centuries there. In fact, in most of those tours the SCG test was a dead rubber.

Or to put it slightly differently, Smith scored as many tests in India in a single tour as Sachin did away from the SCG in 5 tours.
You are picking a fight where there is none. I dont think the white ball wickets at Sydney and Canberra were that different and Brisbane was as good for batting as Sydney, perhaps better because of the truer bounce and faster pace. It was just amazing that he basically tonned up everytime he batted at Sydney and did not ton up anywhere else. Just a funny trivia kinda thing.
 

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