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4th Test at the Gabba, Brisbane, 15 - 19 Jan 2021

stephen

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Gnske said:
I put it in my usual fashion, but I meant every word of it.

The moral outrage was ridiculous and the punishment decided was enacted in proportion to the loudest of it, which was the hysterics itself.. In retrospect I note it was people outside of the forum demanding lifetime / yearly / multiple year punishments who were almost universally fairweather casuals at best.

I don't know if it was a oversimplication to not be mad enough at a bunch of guys who have played a game for a living for all their adult lives on a very public stage getting frustrated and rubbing a bit of rough paper on a rock made out of leather. But at times it felt like it.

At the risk of being further obtuse, the culture review seemed a bit farcical, maybe utterly forced and inorganic in relation to what I said in the first paragraph. Not completely in regards to a few aspects that were probably overdue, but **** man it was like analyzing a Cleveland steamer with quantum theory.
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CA had to be tough to match the public mood. But they could have imposed three months on Bancroft, six on Warner and stripped the captaincy from Smith. At the very most they should have handed out six month bans.

They didn't because the board were vindictive pricks who didn't have the game's interest at heart and were stung so hard by the players in the pay dispute they actually *lost* ground in negotiations and paid out more than what the players originally demanded. So they handed out year long bans to Smith/Warner to satisfy their sense of vengeance.

What's worse is that the cultural review (which I actually read by the way) pointed the finger squarely at the board and the example that they had set and largely (but not quite) exonerated the players. But the board members got their golden handshakes, walked away and took no responsibility for the complete mess they left behind.

It still infuriates me.
 
Son Of Coco

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
stephen said:
CA had to be tough to match the public mood. But they could have imposed three months on Bancroft, six on Warner and stripped the captaincy from Smith. At the very most they should have handed out six month bans.

They didn't because the board were vindictive pricks who didn't have the game's interest at heart and were stung so hard by the players in the pay dispute they actually *lost* ground in negotiations and paid out more than what the players originally demanded. So they handed out year long bans to Smith/Warner to satisfy their sense of vengeance.

What's worse is that the cultural review (which I actually read by the way) pointed the finger squarely at the board and the example that they had set and largely (but not quite) exonerated the players. But the board members got their golden handshakes, walked away and took no responsibility for the complete mess they left behind.

It still infuriates me.
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Where can you find a copy of the review?
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Peever and Roberts were indisputably awful figures to have leading Australian cricket and we are very lucky that they didn't have longer to run the game into the ground completely. Imagine that the right people to try and take a game to a younger, much more culturally diverse audience, and try to improve migrant and non-Anglo representation in the side to broaden the talent pool and secure the long-term future of Australian cricket were a bunch of mining executives whose first move was to paywall half the game.
 
Smudge49

Smudge49

U19 12th Man
Abdullah Khalid said:
@Spark , @Starfighter , @Gnske , @OverratedSanity , @jimmy101

Don't drag Afridi into it. Wo don't boast about Elite Honesty.


Honesty is honesty. You either are or you aren't. This business of Elite Honesty, Players' Pact & "Hard but Fair" act is classic corporate-speak - high-sounding words put together to sound and look pretty but that end up meaning nothing.




www.espncricinfo.com

Let's talk about elite honesty

Here's why it's sanctimonious, overweening, and a problem for Australia themselves
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com
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Really mate? What part of my post made you feel that I was defending the "puritan" souls of Australian cricket or the cricket board?

Talk is always cheap as it is with Australians or any other team, like an absolute idiot a guy like Gilchrist has walked off without nicking the ball in a world cup semi-final, whereas globally respected Australian cricketer like Mike Hussey has stood his ground despite knocking the cover of the ball numerous times.

Either way neither of those players gain or lose any moral high ground with me or any average fans in such instances, however if a player from the team you support breaks a law of the game or worse starts taking money to chuck the game away, then it doesn't matter if that player is famous as Justin Bieber or an Elilist in Honesty like Dalai Lama an appropriate punishment should be given to that particular player.

When as cricket board you let guys like Waugh Jr. and Warne get away with rap on the knuckles for interacting with bookmakers and drag problem players like Smith & Warner through the mud for what is treated as a minor misdemeanor by the ICC itself, that's when the things start to stink.
 
stephen

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Son Of Coco said:
Where can you find a copy of the review?
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I honestly can't remember where I found it. Google it.

The basic thrust of it all is that the players were being pushed for performance "without counting the costs". The bubble of cricketing life that they had been in had deprived them of the ability to know when they'd gone too far and that this culture was entirely the fault of the Cricket Australia board.

From memory (though maybe I'm mixing things up a bit) they flayed the board for treating cricket like it was a product to be exploited instead of a game to be promoted. They quoted sponsors who Cricket Australia had burned bridges with and basically said that they didn't have the interests of cricket at heart, only the bottom line.
 
Smudge49

Smudge49

U19 12th Man
ankitj said:
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This is really some brave stuff from Pujara but from an Aussie POV, this further highlights that the current bowling attack is seriously one-dimensional.

Pujara was aware that, that was the only way Aussies were trying to get him out and yet no Australian fast bowler bowled any substantial number of balls into the stumps to bring bowled or LBW into the equation on a last day pitch, till it was too late.
 
Son Of Coco

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
stephen said:
I honestly can't remember where I found it. Google it.

The basic thrust of it all is that the players were being pushed for performance "without counting the costs". The bubble of cricketing life that they had been in had deprived them of the ability to know when they'd gone too far and that this culture was entirely the fault of the Cricket Australia board.

From memory (though maybe I'm mixing things up a bit) they flayed the board for treating cricket like it was a product to be exploited instead of a game to be promoted. They quoted sponsors who Cricket Australia had burned bridges with and basically said that they didn't have the interests of cricket at heart, only the bottom line.
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So essentially CA has become like every other corporation - only concerned with money. What a surprise.
 
Smudge49

Smudge49

U19 12th Man
stephen said:
I honestly can't remember where I found it. Google it.

The basic thrust of it all is that the players were being pushed for performance "without counting the costs". The bubble of cricketing life that they had been in had deprived them of the ability to know when they'd gone too far and that this culture was entirely the fault of the Cricket Australia board.

From memory (though maybe I'm mixing things up a bit) they flayed the board for treating cricket like it was a product to be exploited instead of a game to be promoted. They quoted sponsors who Cricket Australia had burned bridges with and basically said that they didn't have the interests of cricket at heart, only the bottom line.
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Players in Australian top tier have lived dangerously in the last decade or so, because there is no assurity regarding their places no matter how good they are, so the players are bitter due to that.

Whereas in meantime Cricket Australia has also literally shot themselves in the foot by making shield cricket less important and treating BBL, as the be all and end all competition in domestic cricket.
 
ParwazHaiJunoon

ParwazHaiJunoon

First Class Debutant
jimmy101 said:
I didn't say anything about Shahid mate. In fact I always thought that he was just biting off some loose thread away from the seam. I don't think there was any ever evidence that he was actually biting into the ball.

I think that pic was posted just to illustrate how sensibly the PCB & Pakistan as a whole handled the affair, whilst the whole of Australia went into meltdown mode when sandpapergate happened.
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Elite Honesty --/-> Elite Anger (among Australian Public) ---> Elite Punishment

All other Nations (except NZ)
mere Honesty --/-> mere Anger (among Public) ---> mere or No Punishment
 
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